probably PESA radar it has, same case as why Kfir C.10 also placed high in BR (and still increasing) despite it’s missile amount
Is there a Su-22M4 for USSR currently? Im not a fan of Fitters or smth
Same question for you - Is there a Su-22M4 for USSR currently? Im not a fan of Fitters or smth
It has 6x KH-38MT
Ok since when it’s relevant in the air Battles ?
Tell me your reasons. I wanna laugh
Figured he was complaining about the BR increase in GRB.
If its Air, then. Everything has a BR 0.3 BR increase.
Though with NE, we might see A2G have a greater impact on air BRs
Fine no worries.
CAS is now burried to the ground, at least those that was around 10.7, pushing them to 11.3 or 11.7 is just free lunch for the Pansir, because we all know that 10.7 is in constant uptier.
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RN Ghibli (3.7 → 3.3).
Naval battles (both realistic and arcade).
Armament is insufficient: two 100 mm cannons with a slow reloading, old rangefinders, only 4 slow 450 mm torpedoes. As a frigate it has destroyer’s spawn, but it’s outmatched by any of them including reserves + unlike on destroyers its secondary armament can’t automatically attack back. It has poor survivability. There is absolutely not any strong point to keep it at 3.7 BR.
Have you ever fought against a gripen in a MiG-29G and won?
What is your argument here.
In your make-belief scenario the euro has 4 missiles with launch limits
F-16 has 6 without launch limits
idk about you, but I’m confident the F-16 has a massive advantage there
whether you’re starting at 30km or 10
True, though it’s at an undeniably strange spot in its BR with the Preproduction KT being 6.3 as well, while significantly better tanks like the T26E5 and T26E1-1 are at 6.7
Decompression is really needed.
The exact same way its fair that the f16a has to deal with flankers at its BR and the f16XL where flankers have double the missiles and HMD, and in some cases more countermeasures
I will separate these and add to this over the next few days. I understand Gaijin wants vehicles individually. Think of this as a quick reference.
British RB Ground BR’s:
- A1E1 Independent: 1.3 down to 1.0. Terrible armour for a heavy tank, worse than many nations light tanks even at 1.0. Terrible mobility. Massive target. 3-Pdr gun isn’t a redeeming factor either, it’s not the worst gun in the game, but due to all the other factors combined it’s made much worse. Please also fix the Soviet level gun depression.
- SARC IVa: 1.3 down to 1.0. It’s fast, and that’s kinda it. If you compare it to the Daimler it shares a BR with, it loses in almost every respect. Worse armour, no shoulder stabiliser, gun is incredibly bouncy and kicks like a mule after firing, worse gun elevation and depression angles, and it’s open-topped.
- Valentine I: 2.7 down to 2.3. I don’t see why this went up. It’s clearly worse than the Matilda in nearly every way. I would drop this back down to 2.3 and reclassify it as a Heavy Tank.
- Valentine XI: No change in BR. I would also reclassify this as a Heavy Tank.
- Valentine IX: No change in BR. Just reclassify it as a Heavy Tank and finally implement my 6-Pdr bug report. It should have the 6-Pdr Mk V.
- Crusader AA Mk I: No change in BR. Just fix the M81A1 ammo, it should be APBC.
- Churchill Mk I: 3.3 down to 3.0. The 2-Pdr is horrendous at this point, mainly due to the lack of mobility to flank. Even taking it in downtiers it struggles to penetrate Pz. IV F2’s with add-on track armour, Pz. III M’s, M4A3 105’s, etc. This would be a side-grade to the 3" Gun Carrier, the Gun Carrier has very similar armour but has a better gun in a casemate.
- AEC AA: 3.7 down to 3.3. The only good thing about this vehicle is that it’s enclosed, I don’t understand why you keep overvaluing this. The Oerlikon’s aren’t great guns. You’re just making the low tier British SPAA gap worse.
- Cromwell V & Cromwell V (RP-3): No change. Big disagree here. This is in no way on the same level as the M4A2. No stabiliser, no .50 cal, worse armour, and no APCR. The only thing the Cromwell V beats the M4A2 at is speed. You just moved it to 3.7, I suggest waiting for the winrate and KD to stabilise a bit more and see if it’s still overperforming by the next BR change round.
- Crusader AA Mk II: 4.0 down to 3.7. I don’t understand why this vehicle even went up. Just compare it to the Wirbelwind, far less rate-of-fire, less penetration, and half the guns. The only advantage the Crusader AA Mk. II has is an enclosed turret and more mobility. The 2 were very asymmetrically balanced.
- Churchill Mk III: 4.0 down to 3.7. Less mobility than the Churchill Mk. I, same hull armour, and worse turret armour (only 3.5 inches compared to 4 inches). The gun is better, but that’s it. It also has the wrong 6-Pdr, it should have the 6-Pdr Mk III which would further justify a BR drop.
- A33 “Excelsior”: 4.3 to 4.7. The mantlet needs to be fixed. It should be the same 3.5" as the Crusader, Cromwell, and Churchill. That will eliminate a weakspot and justify the increase.
- Churchill NA75: 4.3 down to 4.0. It’s more of a side-grade over the Churchill Mk. III, not a direct upgrade. You lose the good rate-of-fire, lose the shoulder stabiliser, and lose a decent amount of penetration for a better damaging shell. That’s the only difference, the shell is good but if the Churchill Mk. III goes down then the NA75 should as well. You still haven’t fixed the secondary MG either.
- Churchill VII & Crocodile: 4.7 up to 5.0. It’s sad to say, but I agree with this, M61 was a massive jump in performance. Even though the penetration is only like 2mm better APHE means you can now cupola snipe and even previously “bad shots” will kill the enemy. The biggest issue is the Churchill VII no longer having a line up, now players will be forced to drag up their 4.7 line up or drag the Churchill to 5.3.
- Comet I & Comet I “Iron Duke”: 5.3 down to 5.0. It’s really a shadow of its former self. The A30 Challenger is a better vehicle in almost everyway. Just compare the Comet to the VK 3002 (M). This would also give the Churchill VII a line up. If the VK 3002 (M) goes up to 5.3 then this isn’t required.
- AC IV: 5.3 down to 5.0. It’s just a slightly better Firefly. Again, just compare it to the VK 3002 (M). Like the Comet, this would also give the Churchill VII a line up. If the VK 3002 (M) goes up to 5.3 then this isn’t required.
- Skink: 5.3 down to 4.7. Just like the Crusader AA Mk. II really don’t understand why it keeps going up. Again, just compare it to the Wirbelwind, you still have less firepower and penetration but now have the double the guns of the Crusader AA Mk. II, and the same amount of guns as the Whirbelwind. Is that really worth a BR increase of 1.3 currently (4.0 to 5.3)?
- Tortoise: 6.7 down to 6.3. Just compare it to the T28, very similar vehicles except the Tortoise is covered in weakspots, lacks APHE, and just as slow. Fix the armour, add the missing APDS, and the other minor reports missing engine wall and armoured bins. If all of these are done it won’t need to go down.
- Centurion Mk 3: 7.7 down to 7.3. It’s overshadowed by the Centurion 5/1, “Action X”, Caernarvon, and Conqueror. There’s no reason to take it over these vehicles. Just compare it to the FV4202 and it’s actually quite similar.
- Falcon: 8.3 down to 7.7. It’s terrible compared to the Chieftain Marksman. Worse firepower, worse radar, worse armour, and it’s not even more mobile. The only thing it has over the Marksman is its smaller size. After removing the APDS it’s dropped massively in win rate and KD. Why are you moving it up to 8.7 with the Marksman and the ZA-35? Two SPAA’s that make it completely redundant.
- Vijayanta: 8.3 down to 8.0. This thing really is just a worse Vickers MBT Mk 1. Without the LRF there’s no reason for a slower vehicle with a worse reload to be 0.3 higher than the TT counterpart even with the HEATFS.
USA RB Ground BR’s:
- M4A3 (105): 3.0 up to 3.3. This thing is a low tier menace. Along with the StuH 42 G and SU-122. This isn’t just about balance, this change is also about new player retention. As a low tier enjoyer I can tell you squads love this tank and if new players are constantly being crushed by seal clubbers, then they will stop playing the game. There’s plenty of things you can do here too, as there’s several potential ammo types missing that can justify the BR increase.
- T18E2: 3.3 up to 3.7. Just the increase to 3.3 was not enough. This thing is equivalent to the Ram II or Cromwell I.
German RB Ground BR’s:
- Sd.Kfz.234/3: 2.0 up to 2.3. If the StuG IIIA is 2.3 then this machine absolutely needs to be 2.3, it has the exact same gun and fantastic mobility. It had a 56.1% winrate last month and a KD of 2.01.
- StuH 42 G: 3.0 up to 3.3. This thing is a low tier menace. Along with the M4A3 105 and SU-122. This isn’t just about balance, this change is also about new player retention. If new players are constantly getting wrecked by overpowered tanks they’re going to drop the game. You could also give it the missing ammo, see spoiler below.
Spoiler
- Sd.Kfz.234/2: 3.7 up to 4.0, and make it Rank III. This vehicle is effectively the German Chaffee equivalent, it’s incredibly uptier resistant and I’ve seen many players take/recommend taking it up to 6.3.
- VK 3002 (M): 5.0 up to 5.3. This vehicle is basically a side-grade to the Panther D. It trades a small amount of armour for speed. If the VK goes up then you can ignore my earlier Comet I and AC IV posts.
- Turm III: 8.7 up to 9.0. Surely this is a mistake that this was missed during decompression.
Sweden RB Ground BR’s:
- Sherman III/IV: No change, just fix the historical bug reports. This is a very strong premium, instead of knocking it up to 4.0 you can try fixing it first. This is not a Sherman IV (M4A3) hull but a Sherman IB (M4 105) which has the same 400hp engine and transmission of the M4 & M4A1. The hull is also modelled incorrectly, as the armour has been made to represent a single continuous piece. The MG weakspot is still there, it has just had a bit of metal welded over it.
- Comet I: 5.3 down to 5.0. If the British one goes down, so should the Swedish/Finnish one. Again, if the VK goes up this is not required.
Italian RB Ground BR’s:
- M15/42: 2.7 down to 2.3. This is a very sad medium tank, and barely an improvement over the M14/41.
- Sherman I Composito: 3.7 up to 4.0. This is effectively a cast hull M4A2. Last month it had a 61.6% winrate and a KD of 2.43, people complain about the Sherman III/IV but this is the real seal clubbing Sherman premium.
French RB Ground BR’s:
- M4A3 (105): 3.0 up to 3.3. This thing is a low tier menace. The stats might not show it, but it’s an instance of submarining.
- AMX-13-M24: No change, just make it Rank III. Seems like this was missed in the last BR thread.
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You said: “euro just explodes to rafale”
So what, u can use maneuver to dodge an aim9x or rbs98 or fb10?
Because it does
Literally ask any good wt player lmfao
Rafale fiddles everything in a joust
Do you want to try it?
Type 10 going to 13.3 especially with the massive gun depression nerf that just got accepted is funny. It’s somehow a higher BR than the M1A2T. Reload does not make this tank good when everything else about it is the worst in class, from mobility to armour to gun handling which is now reinforced by terrible depression angles.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/2JRlmBskK3jy
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2S38, T-80UD Still 10.7
9.7 (9.3 before) will face this thing again LOL
I noticed ghibli is going up to 11.7. Main threat of war thunder is neutralized, everyone may sleep calmly now.
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Pretty sure you can only do one vehicle per post