finnish f 18 whitout hmd or c 5s. first time?
- Air Sim – J37DI – 13.0 → ̶1̶3̶.̶3̶
Has a 4 segment RWR with no IFF (big deal for sim), lacks IRCCM missiles. It already needs to be played more conservatively than other AMRAAM slingers at 13.0, which is probably the reason why it seems to be overperforming?
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None of the current top tier Russian MBTs are 13.3 worthy.
Then again, so are none of the French ones, but the EMBT gets shafted to 13.3 for reasons lol.
since other planes ( gripen E and mica) had export options denied, lets make it historicaly accured. also nerf fm while at it
mica was only shown on gripen A
Because they hate Japan
Why aren’t Su-30MK’s 14.0? You think they’re not as good as the Hornets? And whats the point of making all CAS going up if the only complaint about it was that every numb skull could’ve taken invulnerable SPAA and shit missiles in your direction without any adequate measures you could take against?
Vehicle: EC-665 Tiger UHT
Mode: RB Ground
BR Change: 13.0 → 12.3
Reason: The Tiger UHT is completely defenseless against helicopters with LDIRCM, given that the PARS 3 is intercepted by the LDIRCM system with a 100% success rate. In contrast, helicopters with this system can shoot it down at any moment and almost anywhere, especially the Mi-28NM with its top-attack LMURs.
The EC Tiger is inferior in flare/chaff count and doesn’t even carry a cannon to defend itself against planes.
The PARS 3 missiles are highly unreliable for taking out tanks, as they easily lose lock due to simple smokes, walls, trees, or even dead tanks around the battlefield. Furthermore, its flight profile is much worse than that of more advanced missiles, since it usually hits the front where MBTs are most heavily armored, and it easily strikes obstacles like a rock that doesn’t even fully cover the tank. It’s also a missile that doesn’t lock onto targets easily; often, even with the target completely exposed, it refuses to lock, forcing the pilot to stay 100% exposed to any SPAA on most maps.
Its air-to-air missiles are barely useful for shooting down planes either, completely lacking even a basic IRCCM system to protect the aircraft. A BR close to top tier makes absolutely no sense for this helicopter.
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noticed it too. Phelps is a bit worse that the others 5.0 it supposed to be 5.0 to 4.7 change i think
Feedback on Type 90 moving to 12.0
Body:
Regarding the planned BR changes, moving the Type 90 to 12.0 is a critical mistake. It should be kept at a much lower BR, ideally around 10.7 to 11.0, for the following reasons:
- Lack of Armor Protection:
The Type 90’s armor is effectively useless against top-tier shells. The turret cheeks can easily be penetrated by modern APFSDS, and the hull offers almost no protection. At 12.0, it will constantly face 12.7 top-tier vehicles where its survivability drops to zero. - Insufficient Firepower for 12.0:
The Type 93 APFSDS shell lacks the penetration power required to reliably engage 12.7 MBTs from the front. While the 4-second autoloader is a great feature, it does not compensate for the inability to penetrate enemy armor at high BRs. - Technological and Performance Disadvantage:
Unlike the Type 10, the Type 90 lacks modern commander thermals (CITV) and superior spatial awareness tools. Placing it at 12.0 forces it into an environment where it is severely outclassed by true top-tier main battle tanks in every metric except mobility.
Conclusion:
The Type 90 cannot perform effectively at 12.0 due to its outdated armor and shell capabilities. Please reconsider this change and adjust its BR downwards to better reflect its actual performance.
Chinese F-16MLU being moved to 14.0 (same BR as F-16I Sufa) while F-16CM stays at 13.7 is truly the greatest take of all time…
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Holy cope or skill issue.
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The chinese F-16 MLU is moving to 13.7, not 14.0.
Let’s take things in order:
The Su-34 has a battle rating (BR) of 13.7 in Realistic Ground Battles (RGB). It’s unclear why or for what reason. The Su-30SM, Su-30SM2, and even the MiG-35—which has more limited ground-attack capabilities—are placed at the top-tier BR of 14.0, while the Su-34 sits just below them. I believe this is incorrect. The Kh-38MT is the best air-to-ground missile in the game, capable of destroying ground targets with ease. Furthermore, the Su-34 can carry a larger number of Kh-59M missiles, as well as guided and unguided bombs. I think it should be moved to 14.0.
The J-22M1A and A-6E TRAM have a battle rating of 11.7 in Ground Realistic Battles… Seriously: what for?
How are these aircraft even supposed to be played now? It’s one thing for them to face a 10.7 battle rating in matches, but it’s quite another for them to be constantly pitted against near-top-tier anti-aircraft systems. Let’s take a look at the conflicts:
Looking at the Battle Ratings (BR), one might think that nothing will change—that aircraft will continue to face the same opponents as before. HOWEVER, there is a significant difference. Currently, vehicles with a BR of 11.0 very frequently end up in matches alongside 10.7 and 11.7-rated units. Once these aircraft are moved up to a BR of 11.7, the gameplay experience will shift; they will now encounter systems like the ItO 90M, FlaRakRad, ADATS, and, consequently, the Pantsir-S1. It is also worth noting the ground-attack capabilities of these aircraft.
The J-22M1A carries an arsenal of 4 air-to-ground missiles, featuring both “fire-and-forget” and “fire-and-update” capabilities. Combined with a decent flight model and good speed dynamics, this aircraft will be at least somewhat effective at destroying ground targets.
The A-6E TRAM, for its part, lacks such weaponry and comparable flight performance.
Its arsenal consists solely of laser-guided bombs and the unique, laser-guided AGM-123 Skipper missiles. Consequently, it would be virtually impossible to implement this aircraft effectively at such a battle rating.
I would like to draw attention to two aircraft: the AMX and its premium version, the AMX A-1A.
These aircraft are already struggling in the current game environment, and things will get even worse following the increase in their Battle Rating.
I forgot to mention that the gameplay involves both aircraft and tanks. Following the Battle Rating (BR) increase, the A-6E TRAM can be paired with the IPM1 tank and the event-reward Merkava Mk.3D. The J-22M1A does not offer this option; players will have to select ground vehicles with a lower Battle Rating.
I believe the battle rating for these aircraft should be changed to 11.3, or the battle rating of near-top-tier anti-aircraft guns should be increased.
I won’t go into a long-winded discussion about the A-10 Late, A-7E, and Su-25BM. In my view, they should be assigned a Battle Rating of 11.0—or, alternatively, the Battle Ratings of anti-aircraft systems should be increased.
The A-7D and A-10A should have a battle rating of 10.7!!
It is also worth mentioning the premium version of the Su-30 intended for China and the USSR. In its own right, it is a powerful aircraft, though I cannot say for certain whether the increase in its battle rating is justified.
To be honest, I’d like to comment on the changes to both rating systems—they look pretty good.
While it might be a long shot, I hope the developers take player feedback into account and make further adjustments to the battle rating.
It’s worth noting that all of this is being done to give the developers more flexibility when it comes to adding new vehicles.
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Super Etendard should be placed below Jaguar A or equal to it since Jaguar now has zunis and Etendard doesn’t and overall they don’t have anything super strong in munitions compared to other planes.
Super Etendard 11.0 → 11.3 instead of 11.7
Jaguar A 11.0 → 11.7 instead of 11.3
Yeah… Well we are getting closer to the end of the year with plenty new stuff coming… it has something to do with it at some point not just “Needed decompression”
Every time they do “decompression” it is not decompression
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Meh, the Typ 90 can stay at 11.7, the JM33 ammo is strong enough to face top tier tanks, not even the Leo 2A7V can pen several tanks at their strongest armor points (turrets), the JM33 can effortlessly pen any lower hull plate except the Leo 2A5/6/7, any sides, rears, so it does just fine at 11.7
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Mane, imagine grinding the AJS37 stock now that it is at 11.7, i could cry
Vehicle: All tanks without APS
Mode: RB Ground
BR Change: 13.3 → 13.0
Reason: Let’s be serious here, putting vehicles without APS at the same BR as those with APS??? Seriously??? In the current top-tier meta ??? Vehicles with APS clearly benefit a lot, enough to have a BR difference between them. After all, while one is going to die from a missile or get disabled only to be finished off by another vehicle, those with APS will be able to push forward across the battlefield and keep eliminating exactly those who were disabled by missiles, or just dominate the area of the dead players who didn’t have APS.