Not the same. Kh-31 is faster and stays powered for longer than the Chinese variant of it.
Hm, I remembered wrong, I had somewhere in my mind, that it gets 31PD missiles also,
True, you get full TV load if you lose 2 fox 3’s, ( Nobody does it)
But anyway, still should be on same BR
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thats the PD and AD the YJ-91 is a KH-31P
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Naval
Stefano Turr 1.7 >1.3
At first glance having a steel hull is a big advantage, however even at 1.3 there’s enough 20mm to reduce this significantly. Once you bring in 37mm+ it’s barley an advantage at all.
Meanwhile guns are extremely weak. The three forward 13.2mm sounds fine until you consider the terrible firing arcs, often onky 1 can be brought to target. Meanwhile the rear 6.5mm is best to useless, not just calibre but also it nolbger operates independent and cannot be set as for AI tail warning. You get 4 torpedos, but they ate pretty average in speed and range, and at a BR where you’ll get little usage other than blind volleys.
Yeah but they’re not losing R-60Ms, just going down. Really they should have their radars fixed and go up.
Vehicle: Su-27SM
Gamemode: Air Realistic
BR Change: 13.7 → 14.3
Reasoning: The Su-27SM is currently the dominant force at 13.7, especially from higher skill players who can draw more potential out from the plane. Even at 14.0, it has among the best kinematics, flight performance, and missile loadouts at the BR. Only the F-18C Late and its variants have a better missile kit, but have the tradeoff of lackluster kinematics and poor flight performance.
Similar to my post on the Mirage 2000-5F, it shouldn’t be sitting 0.7BR above the newly 13.3 planes
It will also face much fairier competition at 14.3, where more planes will have the ability to contest it. EG: F-15E is kinematically superior with similar fox3 count/quality, but has much weaker flight performance. F-16C Pobit has an AESA and better missiles, but has worse kinematics/flight performance and less missiles.
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F-16A MLU going to same BR as F-16CM?
Chi-Ri
GRB
5.7 → 5.3 OR increase engine power to 700 HP (report)
The Chi-Ri is absolutely anemic with very subpar mobility for its BR. This, along with is very bad armor, makes it a very large and easy target which is not offset by the firepower or reload rate. Its 7,5cm gun is somewhat weak at 5.7, especially since its uncapped APHE has very poor performance against angled armor. If the engine power is increased, the tank could have the mobility to offset some of its disadvantages and make it a clumsy, but usable vehicle.
In its current state, the only meaningful advantage the Chi-Ri has over the Chi-To is the assisted loading mechanism. It should not be an entire BR higher.
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Premium Su-30s to 14.0, not 13.7, and BMPTs to 12.3, so they can stop butchering the former 10.7, now 11.0. These are the changes the community has been asking for for such a long time. Show us you listen for once. You have the statistics; you don’t need me to give you any reasons why these BR changes would not only be warranted but greatly needed to fix those BRs.
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Comparison spreadsheet
| Name: | Kh-31P (PRGS-4VP) | Kh-31P (PRGS-5VP) | Kh-31P (PRGS-6VP) | YJ-91 (PRGS-4VP) | YJ-91 (PRGS-5VP) | YJ-91 (PRGS-6VP) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Physical properties | ||||||
| Mass: [kg] | 600 | 600 | 600 | 600 | 600 | 600 |
| Fuel mass of first stage: [kg] | 119 | 119 | 119 | 119 | 119 | 119 |
| Fuel mass of second stage: [kg] | 53 | 53 | 53 | 53 | 53 | 53 |
| Fuel mass of third stage: [kg] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Calibre: [mm] | 360 | 360 | 360 | 360 | 360 | 360 |
| Length: [m] | 4,7 | 4,7 | 4,7 | 4,7 | 4,7 | 4,7 |
| Distance between centre of mass and stabilisers: | 0,065 | 0,065 | 0,065 | 0,065 | 0,065 | 0,065 |
| Engine properties | ||||||
| Force of first stage: [N] | 107100 | 107100 | 107100 | 107100 | 107100 | 107100 |
| Burn time of first stage: [s] | 2,5 | 2,5 | 2,5 | 2,5 | 2,5 | 2,5 |
| Raw acceleration at ignition: [m/s²] | 178,50 | 178,50 | 178,50 | 178,50 | 178,50 | 178,50 |
| Specific impulse of first stage: [s] | 229,36 | 229,36 | 229,36 | 229,36 | 229,36 | 229,36 |
| ΔV of first stage: [m/s] | 497,39 | 497,39 | 497,39 | 497,39 | 497,39 | 497,39 |
| First stage start delay: [s] | 0,5 | 0,5 | 0,5 | 0,5 | 0,5 | 0,5 |
| Force of second stage: [N] | 60861,0925 | 60861,0925 | 60861,0925 | 60861,0925 | 60861,0925 | 60861,0925 |
| Burn time of second stage: [s] | 15 | 15 | 15 | 15 | 15 | 15 |
| Specific impulse of second stage: [s] | 1755,84 | 1755,84 | 1755,84 | 1755,84 | 1755,84 | 1755,84 |
| ΔV of second stage: [m/s] | 2010,90 | 2010,90 | 2010,90 | 2010,90 | 2010,90 | 2010,90 |
| Force of third stage: [N] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Burn time of third stage: [s] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Specific impulse of third stage: [s] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| ΔV of third stage: [m/s] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Total ΔV: [m/s] | 2508,29 | 2508,29 | 2508,29 | 2508,29 | 2508,29 | 2508,29 |
| Time from launch above which second/third stage starts: [s] | 2,75 | 2,75 | 2,75 | 2,75 | 2,75 | 2,75 |
| ETA to impact below which second/thirdstage starts: [s] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Minimum speed below which second/third stage starts: [m/s] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Minimum closure rate below which second/third stage starts: [m/s] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Fuze and warhead properties | ||||||
| Explosive mass: [kg of TNT equivalent] | 116,45 | 116,45 | 116,45 | 116,45 | 116,45 | 116,45 |
| Warhead: | HE | HE | HE | HE | HE | HE |
| Penetration: [mm] | 81,47 | 81,47 | 81,47 | 81,47 | 81,47 | 81,47 |
| Proximity fuze: | No | No | No | No | No | No |
| Proximity fuze range: [m] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Proximity fuze delay: [s] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Impact fuze sensitivity: [mm] | 0,1 | 0,1 | 0,1 | 0,1 | 0,1 | 0,1 |
| Impact fuze delay: [m] | 0,1 | 0,1 | 0,1 | 0,1 | 0,1 | 0,1 |
| Guidance properties | ||||||
| Guidance type: | PRH | PRH | PRH | PRH | PRH | PRH |
| Band: | I | D / E / F | G / H | I | D / E / F | G / H |
| Guidance start delay: [s] | 1,5 | 1,5 | 1,5 | 1,5 | 1,5 | 1,5 |
| Guidance duration: [s] | 120 | 120 | 120 | 120 | 120 | 120 |
| Guidance range: [km] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Seeker warm up time: [s] | 0,3 | 0,3 | 0,3 | 0,3 | 0,3 | 0,3 |
| Seeker search duration: [s] | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 |
| Gimbal limit: [degrees] | 45 | 45 | 45 | 45 | 45 | 45 |
| Track rate: [degrees/second] | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 |
| Uncaged seeker before launch: | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes |
| Maximum lock angle before launch: [degrees] | 15 | 15 | 15 | 15 | 15 | 15 |
| Baseline lock range from all-aspect: [km] | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 |
| Range to target at which the seeker is turned on: [km] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Maximum lock range (hard limit): [km] | 300 | 300 | 300 | 300 | 300 | 300 |
| Minimum target size: [m] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Gimbal memory: [s] | 7,5 | 7,5 | 7,5 | 7,5 | 7,5 | 7,5 |
| Maximum break lock time: [s] | 240 | 240 | 240 | 240 | 240 | 240 |
| Can lock after launch: | No | No | No | No | No | No |
| Angular speed rejection threshold: [degrees/second] | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 |
| Acceleration rejection threshold range: [m/s^2] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Inertial guidance drift speed: [m/s] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Maximum IOG / GNSS guidance error: [m] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Datalink: | No | No | No | No | No | No |
| Can datalink reconnect: | No | No | No | No | No | No |
| Sidelobe attenuation: | -20 | -20 | -20 | -20 | -20 | -20 |
| Transmitter power: | 200 | 200 | 200 | 200 | 200 | 200 |
| Transmitter angle of half sensitivity: | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 |
| Transmitter sidelobe sensitivity: | -30 | -30 | -30 | -30 | -30 | -30 |
| Receiver angle of half sensitivity: | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Receiver sidelobe sensitivity: | -50 | -50 | -50 | -50 | -50 | -50 |
| Distance minimum value: [m] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Distance maximum value: [m] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Distance gate: [m] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Distance minimum signal gate: [m] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Distance refWidth: [m] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Distance gate search range: [m] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Distance gate alpha filter: | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Distance gate beta filter: | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Doppler speed minimum value: [m/s] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Doppler speed maximum value: [m/s] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Doppler speed width: [m/s] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Doppler speed ref width: [m/s] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Doppler speed minimum signal gate: [m/s] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Doppler speed gate search range: [m/s] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Doppler speed gate alpha filter: | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Doppler speed gate beta filter: | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Proportional navigation multiplier: (affects how far ahead it attempts to lead) | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| Base indicated air speed: [m/s] | 1800 | 1800 | 1800 | 1800 | 1800 | 1800 |
| PID proportional term: | 0,0041 | 0,0041 | 0,0041 | 0,0041 | 0,0041 | 0,0041 |
| PID integral term: | 0,014 | 0,014 | 0,014 | 0,014 | 0,014 | 0,014 |
| PID integral term limit: | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
| PID derivative term: | 0,00175 | 0,00175 | 0,00175 | 0,00175 | 0,00175 | 0,00175 |
| MITL characteristics | ||||||
| Has MITL: | No | No | No | No | No | No |
| Horizontal limits: [degrees] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Vertical limits: [degrees] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Zoom: | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Track rate: [degrees/second] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| NVD: | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Flight characteristics | ||||||
| Drag coefficient multiplier (this is not the only value affecting drag, just because it’s higher than another missile’s doesn’t mean it actually has higher drag!!): | 1,525 | 1,525 | 1,525 | 1,525 | 1,525 | 1,525 |
| Simplified ballistic coefficient: (Higher the better, as drag is speed dependent, it won’t be accurate in any scenario, but it won’t be accurate in the same manner for all missiles. Gives a somwhat better number to compare how much missiles are affected by drag than the raw drag coeff value) | 2757,27 | 2757,27 | 2757,27 | 2757,27 | 2757,27 | 2757,27 |
| Maximum launch angle (horizontally / vertically): [degrees] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Maximum axis values: | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Maximum fin angle of attack: [degrees] | 8,59 | 8,59 | 8,59 | 8,59 | 8,59 | 8,59 |
| Maximum fin lateral acceleration (aerodynamic G limit): | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Wing area multiplier: | 1,15 | 1,15 | 1,15 | 1,15 | 1,15 | 1,15 |
| Start speed: [m/s] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Maximum speed: [m/s] | 2000 | 2000 | 2000 | 2000 | 2000 | 2000 |
| Maximum statcard (useless) speed: [Mach] or [m/s] | 3,5 | 3,5 | 3,5 | 3,5 | 3,5 | 3,5 |
| Maximum statcard (useless) launch range: [km] | 120 | 120 | 120 | 120 | 120 | 120 |
| Statcard (useless) guaranteed range: [km] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Minimum range: [m] | 10000 | 10000 | 10000 | 10000 | 10000 | 10000 |
| Flight range limit: [km] | 120 | 120 | 120 | 120 | 120 | 120 |
| Maximum G-load: [G] | 20 | 20 | 20 | 20 | 20 | 20 |
| Maximum statcard (useless) G-load: [G] | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 |
| Loft: | No | No | No | No | No | No |
| Loft angle: [degrees] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Target elevation: [degrees] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Maximum target angular change: [degrees/s] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Altitude hold: | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes |
| ETA to impact when altitude hold altitude reaches x metres: [s/m] | 0 / 15000 | 0 / 15000 | 0 / 15000 | 0 / 15000 | 0 / 15000 | 0 / 15000 |
| ETA to impact when altitude hold altitude reaches x metres: [s/m] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| ETA to impact when altitude hold altitude reaches x metres: [s/m] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| ETA to impact when altitude hold altitude reaches x metres: [s/m] | - | - | - | - | - | - |
They’re the same thing
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Jagdpanzer IV GRB 4.3 → 4.7
This little tank destroyer has solid firepower and mobility and excellent armour. Very few guns even in an uptiers can penetrate it frontally. It’s far superior to the Hetzer at the same BR and miles ahead of the likes of the StuG. I’d even go so far as to say it is on even ground with the 5.0 Su-85M.
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Turm III 8.7 → 9.0
has to move up with the other 8.7s obviously
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JAS-39C (All)
Air RB
13.7 → 14.0
It makes no sense to move most 13.7’s up to 14.0 then leave the Gripen behind. It does almost everything better than the F-16I which is going up to 14.0 for example.
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Yeah, I’m just explaining why gaijin probably kept them at separate brs
kh-31p and yj91 are physically exactly the same if you looked at them
that was fixed last update :)
All true
But have you considered that it’s my go to for when I need to complete Tank Destroyer tasks?
Vehicle: Tornado MLU
Ground BR: 12.3>12.0
Reason: I dont think a tornado thats only real benefit over the other 12.0 tornados is agm 88s and maw? It doesnt have any fnf capability other than that and is still stuck with 9ls. Keep it at 12.0 as its only way to kill normal tanks is gps and laser guided bombs.
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