BMP-2M
10.3 → 10.7
Very strong vehicle, with the 2S38 moving up, it should to
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Vehicle: F-16A OCU (Belgium)
Gamemode: Air Realistic & Air Simulator
BR Change: 12.7 —> 13.0
Reason: The F-16A OCU has Magic II and Aim-9Ms which potentially gives this F-16A one of the strongest WVR loadouts in-game currently and should be placed with direct equivalents such as the F-16A (Belgium) armed with 6x Aim-9M. It definitely doesn’t belong at the same BR as the Netz (or even a lower BR than the Netz in SB)
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I’d be fine with it if they moved the Falcon down. We’ve still got the Marksman with APDS at that BR. With the garbage ass radar mind you.
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Same for the AMX-30 DCA. Hopefully it will move down to 8.0/8.3 now that it’s much weaker, but I wouldn’t be surprised if gaijin nerfed it and didn’t change it at all.
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The IS-3 only has a cast turret too so can we place it at 3.3 as well?
The Sherman II has a different armor layout to the M4A1 that’s why it’s higher
Panther F
6.0->5.7
ground RB
simply its the worst of the 6.0 panthers its not very strong compared to a panther G it trades turret armor for a range finder which only works on long range maps which you rarely see it would help the 5.7 line up of Germany immensely
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because the APDS on the Gepard exists, and is balanced by only having 40rnds, unlike Falcon/AMX where the APDS was never used in the HSS 831L, and had it in the entire belt
well you see
they are moving the F-15s down to 12.7
so your argument is now invalid thanks to stupid balancing decisons made by gaijin
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Yeah im fine with all that, but only if they moved it down in BR. A non-radar, non-tracking AA with no AP belts have no reasons being at 8.3
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this is really long overdue
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the cast hulls are weaker than the welded hulls due to not be able to angle
panther F and worst in the same sentence
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Gepard
Ground Realistic
8.3 → 9.0
The Gepardy vehicles have been far too strong for far to long now, both with overperforming APHE, and facing off against 1940s and 50s play with radar gun AA. Same should apply to all the Gepardy vehicles.
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Panther D
Ground RB
5.3 → 5.7
The Panthers A and G are now at 6.0. The Panther D offers the same protection, improved mobility, but a harsh reduction in turret traverse. It should not be able to face 4.3 tanks, many of which have no chance in a frontal engagement, which becomes even more severe at range. At 5.3, it is functionally a heavy tank with excellent mobility when fighting in downtiers.
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Top tier should go to 15.0, with the 14.7s going to 15.0 and the current 14.3s going to 14.7.
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yeah i honestly never use it compared to the panther A and chad G model
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VK 30.02 (M)
Ground RB
5.0 → 5.3
Although certainly weaker than a normal Panther, its firepower makes it very dangerous, and against many 4.0 and 4.3 tanks it is still far too powerful. Most 75mm and 76mm guns from 4.0-4.7 cannot reliably fight it, while its armor and firepower can easily wipe the floor. Like the Panther D, it is functionally a highly mobile heavy tank when downtiered.
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The standard BR-471 is horrendous as it’s just uncapped AP
Unless you decrease the reload to <10s it will still be worse than all of the other 6.7 heavies
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nah it happens when they refuse to move up su 27, su 33 and su 30 mkks