Youve ran into issue currently affecting ANY tank within 35m SPAA BR spread. T-80UD isnt special.
Once again, that is not issue unique to the T-80UD.
Which is, once again, protected by good armor, that drastically lowers the chance of penetrating shot occuring in the first place.
yes, its called tradeoffs.
Leopard 2A4 does not have competetive reload time unless Id shill 2100 GE for it.
200 games in PzBtl 123, nowhere near close to ACe crew.
which does not come into play on urban maps.
yes, because Im not afraid to admit that both Leopard 2A4 and M1 Abrams do have advantages over T-80UD, which become most prominent on open maps.
its not merely having trouble, TtK is heavily skewed in favor of T-80UD.
Complete lie on your part. Abrams/2A4 have extremely small window of opportunity to deal with T-80UD that ponces on them on urban maps., made all the more worse by the usual gaijin shenanigans when it comes to post-pen effects.
That much is true, but unless Abrams/2A4 nail that one shot in the small window of opportunity with T-80UD coming into their view, they die. They to do leave little room for mistakes in this interaction.
Indeed. Not from its hull armor which can be lolpenned by even 3BM22, a 9.3 shell.
That is another lie on your part as amount of spall is reliant of residual penetration
you imply T-80UD at 10.7 would be overtiered whereas in reality it would match the other two premium “Big 3” MBTs.
doesnt seem to be the case so far.
its much better than either Abrams/2A4 has to offer.
That is however player side issue, not tank one. You can lack both situational awarness and proper positioning in Leopard 2A4.
Most maps also feature areas with “urban areas” where thermals arent as important.
My expert crew Abrams has 37.6°/s of horizontal turret rotation, my expert crew T-80UD has 22.6°/s of horiozntal turret rotation.
Now I dont know about you, but roughly three times faster would mean 22.6 x 3 = 67.8°/s, not 37.6/s.
it also has only 372mm@10@0° of pen, which massively effects how reliably it can go through armor.
On that I absolutely agree.
Nonetheless you forgot few critical weaknesses of Abrams/2A4 as well, namely
- these two MBT families being only two MBT families in the game that currently have turret baskets, which massively negatively affects their post-pen survivability, because gaijin decided that undamaged metalic part of the basket without proper wiring is absolutey crucial to turrets ability to rotate
- they both have the world famous NATO hump which affets their gun depression in rear aspect, something T-80UD does not struggle with
- the unrealistic Leopard 2 gun safety override that prevents it from depressing its gun over the back, as it was recently discovered going by Ukraine war footage.
