For air sim: the F15A (and f15j/Baz) do NOT need to be moved down to 12.7. they have 4 IRCCM aim9M with smokeless motors and 4 aim7M. they are very viable at 13.0 and not an overpowered machine, just popular. Redfor at 12.7 already is struggling (and near nonexistent at 12.3) due to many strong 12.7 and critically undertiered blue side planes like f18A. the F15A is an equal match to the first SU27 which are at 13.3 so the F15 should NOT be moved down in a br step
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In the current game reality, when a bunch of wheeled vehicles take positions near the spawn within seconds, who is supposed to shoot first?
For flanking tactics, this tank should have better mobility, but its mobility often doesn’t even reach MBTs level. The gameplay is mostly situational rather than tactic- and skill-based.
honestly unless its a massive open map you don’t need thermals, T-80UM2 is one of my favorite russian vehicles to play and thats now at 11.7 without thermals
thermals aren’t a barrier to higher BRs they’re a force multiplier. one that the T-80UD doesn’t need them to go to 10.7 or even 11.0.
most matches you don’t even need to flank, it can front pen an Abrams through the neck with no problems, can kill Leopard 2 through the LFP, T-64/72/80/84/90 all have the same weakspots, Challenger has a really weak hull, Ariete has thin armor all around, and unless you uptier it with a better line up it wont fight Leclerc. Yeah against autocannons its gonna have a harder time but that comes down to firerate and if they see you in time.
Aren’t most maps just fields full of vegetation and clutter?
That’s your personal experience, right? Some players prefer minimal graphics settings, others play on huge 4K monitors. This comes down to individual player experience, but it doesn’t reflect the tank’s actual capabilities.
We’re talking about baseline features at 10.7, and thermal vision is one of them for the general audience.
Looking for a Leopard covered in bushes, barely peeking out from behind a hill at 1.5 kilometers, is quite a pleasure indeed.
then be better than the average player idk what to tell you, thermals absolutely help but don’t use them as a crutch
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looks cool: Looks inside: just compression and no new bracket
Do you realise the T-80UD needs to go up because it’s almost impossible to kill for most 9.3 tanks? If you get into a brawl, the T-80 is winning; if you get into a sniping competition, the T-80UD is winning. When other tanks at 10.7 sure might have better armour, actually have weak spots bigger than 2 pixels at range, or don’t just kill the driver and engine. Sure, if it gets clubbed at 10.7, that’s annoying, but it can’t stay at 10.3. Too many vehicles suffer from it.
yes but you dont need thermals to see the tank shaped tank. or the tank shaped bush.
yea for the competitive edge because “optimisations” for inferior hardware was done in an unhealthy way
Thermals are a crutch or assistance. quite often they didnt change the actual outcome so they really are not a baseline function and requirement by any means at all
“damn why is that bush moving up a crest and why is it so tank shaped?”
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T64B and T80UD at the same br?
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Hello Alpha, Gaijin only does one vehicle suggestion for each post, they will ignore posts with multiple suggestions.
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It sealclubs 7.3s a bit too much to stay at 8.3.
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The -4 km/h reverse speed is also a factor. On the T-80UD, I need more time to spot my opponent than my opponent needs to spot me using thermal sights. So even if I do see a tank, there’s a high chance it will shoot first, usually straight at my barrel. And due to the awful reverse speed, there’s a high chance I won’t be able to retreat properly and will get hit again.
Shut up about the bloody reverse speed. There are top-tier tanks that have the same reverse speed; it is irrelevant.
Its not irrelevant. Mobility is arguably more important than firepower and armor
It is irrelevant to the fact that the T-80UD shouldn’t move up in BR.
It is better to not try sniping with those to be honest, as the reverse speed is bad and so is the gun depression. You’re better off flanking or something else.