Think about why ppl don’t spawn planes at those brs.
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In vacuum even Gepard can kill T-80UD ;)
the armor makes it harder for penetrating shot to happen in the first place; plus the usual fuel tanks shenanigans.
6 sec reload is only beaten by M1 Abrams (with much worse shell) and Challenger 1s (4 round ready rack capacity) with at least expert crew and fully trained loader (and maybe few tanks im forgeting, but im sure someone will correct me). Also it kinda depends on the loader of those tanks having his cranium intact.
T-80UD gets 6 secound out of the box, its not dependent on crew level and loader being alive and its for entire carousel (whenever that is accurate is matter to debate).
There are also many tanks with worse reloads. My 150lvl expert crew on Leopard 2A4 reloads 6.4 and I am nowhere near close to having free Ace, meaning for my Leopard 2A4 to match the RoF of T-80UD I have to shill out what, 2000 GE for each Leopard 2A4 to have same capability as T-80UD, that will go away as soon as I have to scrap my loader into the bucket?
Sure, both Leopard 2A4 and Abrams dominate on open maps with lot of hulldown poisitions. However both Leopard 2A4 and Abrams will also have troubles pushing the same approaches as T-80UD since it they have inferior armor sche,e, making them worse on urban maps.
and even average player knows the weakspots on Leopard 2A4 and Abrams, point being?
T-80UD is extremely dominant in downtiers.
And for the last time, and I will NOT be repeating myself, you are ignoring the features that actually make T-80UD stand out when compared to its competitors and as you put it, “match its BR”, namely you not once mentioning how 3BM42 is superior to both Abrams and Leopard 2A4 shell.
Cease this behaviour at once.
Youre not arguing in a good will.
Not everyone will play T-80UD to its weaknesses either. Sure, it lacks thermals, but it doesnt need thermals in CQB situations.
problem of uptiers is not unique to the T-80UD.
Like, T-80UD cant go to 10.7 because it can meet 11.7, what does that mean for M1 Abrams with M774 thats already 10.7 and thus can see 11.7?
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Looking at stats, IS-6 hardly looks OP.
Always confuses me when people use the argument of uptiers to justify under BRed vehicles.
Like sure, X might struggle vs Y in a full uptier, but what about things fighting X in a full uptier? (especially premiums, perticuarly popular ones too, that act as vacuums sucking people in from below)
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This list is pretty bad in general ngl, def one of the worst ones ive seen
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its quite a bit better than the IS4M the only reason it has bad stats is cause the players who play it are usually noobs just picking up the game cause its a premium
it was dropped to 7.3 a while ago and was unbeatable at that br
Id be fine if people really think such argument through.
“X suffers against Y which sits at higher BR; thus X must be lowered in BR”- completly overlooking the fact that entire BR range is struggling against Y. In such casese, we shouldnt be calling for X to be adjusted, but rather Y going up.
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Better than anything you, morvran, or carenavron will ever come up with.
One of them got mad lol
Yeah, that too
some uptiers are just to unfair right now like 13.3 but even that doesnt justify a vehicle going down all 13.3s should go to 13.7
? Dude i don’t even try really with these because my gripes are with niche vehicles nobody plays and thus wont earn any traction anyways. No reason to voice something on a platform the devs really dont look at
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It’s 2026 and people still parrot this nonsense.
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this is true tho ?
premiums almost always have lower KDs than tech tree versions just do to the absurd surplus of bad players playing them
From all my research they are extremely similar, to the point they are almost the same cannon bar a few differences.
Rarden: 0.003 meters longer barrel
Slightly heavier projectile
2a72: higher ROF
They use the same kind of material for projectiles and all.
It makes little sense there’s a what, 38mm pen difference gap?
I think the Rarden is 110mm, and the 2a72 on the btr should actually be penning about 94-98mm RHA
Premiums don’t perform worse than their TT copies.
It doesn’t take you long to compare same vehicles found in TT and as a premium. Click Bait vs HC, KVT vs M1, 2A4s, …
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They do care sometimes though. My post in regards to the Fox got it nerfed. That’s why Morvran and Caernavron are mad at me, I live rent free in their domes because I broke their OP toy.
Then why does the T29, Tiger II sla, T14, KV-1C, etc all do vastly better?
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for example F4J and F4S
F4S=.71 kills to deaths ratio while F4J=.87 kills to deaths
there almost identical planes its almost like one has worse pilots
I gave you more than enough ground vehicles to compare and you had to jump to planes to find something that doesn’t support my claim.
If the thing you said was true, it’d be a thing for most premiums, but right now it isn’t.
Or one is bombing bases more often.
leo 2a4 panzer battalion has 1.06 kills per death while techtree 2a4 has 1.10 kills per death