dude ur comparing a MBT with aps, ARMOUR, DARTS, STAbalizer. to a light tank
T-55AM-1 doesn’t have APS.
Both have stabilizer.
T-55AM-1’s dart is actually worse than L7 APDS.
at this point with the SU-30 MKK/MK2 just give it the AAM-4s so its a C&P F-2A but with less CAS options, it’s already got the F-2As radar that was a later upgrade to use the AAM-4 (at least from what I have read) so it should be compatible with them, the regular F-2A can get the AAM-4B and AAM-5 as the game gets to those generations of missiles.
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You could also compare it with the object 435 which doesnt even get the extra armour of the t55am1
I wouldn’t even call it mid.
Bmd-4 is better, and the Beglit is even better than the bmd. All three are 9.7
1) 2S6 Tunguska
Current BR: 10.7
Proposed BR: 11.3
Justification
The 2S6 Tunguska significantly overperforms at BR 10.7 when compared to peer systems:
- Missile Range Parity with Higher-BR Systems
The 2S6 has a missile engagement range comparable to the ADATS, which sits at BR 11.7. Despite this, the Tunguska remains a full 1.0 BR lower. - Superior Gun Armament
The 2S6 is equipped with 4× 30 mm autocannons, which provide:- Extremely high close-range lethality against aircraft and helicopters
- Effective last-ditch defense against guided munitions
- Limited anti-light-vehicle capability in ground engagementsIn contrast, the ADATS M113 has no gun armament at all, relying exclusively on missiles.
- Hybrid Engagement Flexibility
The combination of long-range SAMs + high-rate cannons gives the 2S6 a level of versatility that exceeds what is typically expected at BR 10.7.
Conclusion:
At 10.7, the 2S6 offers a capability set that is far closer to 11.3–11.7 level SPAAs, making a BR increase to 11.3 justified and necessary for balance.
2) Pantsir-S1
Current BR: 12.0
Proposed BR: 12.3
Justification
The Pantsir-S1 is objectively the most capable SPAA currently placed at BR 12.0:
- Significantly Longer Missile Range
The Pantsir has approximately 8–9 km more effective missile range than other 12.0 SPAAs such as:- ITO 90M
- CS/SA5
- Tan-SAMThis allows it to deny airspace far beyond what other nations can contest at the same BR.
- Highly Advanced Radar Suite
The Pantsir’s radar system is exceptionally effective at:- Tracking fast jets at long range
- Detecting and intercepting guided bombs, missiles, and rockets
- Maintaining stable locks even in high-clutter environmentsIn practice, this makes the Pantsir not just an aircraft killer, but also a hard counter to modern CAS gameplay.
- Disproportionate Battlefield Impact
At BR 12.0, the Pantsir can engage aircraft before they can realistically deploy their ordnance, while competing SPAAs must rely on shorter reaction windows.
Conclusion:
Given its range advantage, radar quality, and interception capability, the Pantsir-S1 clearly exceeds the performance envelope of other 12.0 SPAAs and should be moved to BR 12.3.
Additional Balance Proposal: Russian Auto-Spawn SPAA
- The automatically available SPAA for Russia at top tier should not be the Pantsir-S1.
- Instead, the Tor-M1 or 2S6 would be a far more appropriate default vehicle:
- Strong but more limited engagement range
- Less dominant radar and interception capability
- Better parity with other nations’ auto-spawn SPAAs
Allowing immediate access to the Pantsir amplifies its already excessive influence on early-game air control.
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It already out preforms 8.7s.
Truly a Desert Storm moment (now can I get JP233 so I can neutralise aircraft on the airfield and make the runways unusable)
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AI
Fall of mankind.
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Maybe include a reason?
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2s6s missiles suck, they are very easy to over g
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Pansir has the range but Ito-90 has everything else.
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Quit complaining about Russia, they’re easy to evade unlike the German top tier spaa
9Ms to combat the very dangerous mig29 armed with r60ms, the american whining from 3 years ago became a reality gg
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F5e at 11.3
F20a at 11.7
man has clearly never tried to use an aircraft in the vicinity of one.
Conveniently forgot the gun, the ItO doesn’t have one of those.
The Pantsir also has the superior radar arcs to my knowledge.
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1) “2S6 missiles suck, they are very easy to over-G”
This is only true in isolation and ignores the complete weapon system:
- Yes, the 2S6 missiles have relatively low G-limits, but this is intentionally offset by:
- Very high missile velocity
- Continuous guidance
- Extremely short time-to-target at typical CAS distances
- Most CAS aircraft at BR 10.7–11.0 cannot sustain hard defensive maneuvers while:
- Carrying guided ordnance
- Flying attack profiles
- Staying within weapon employment parameters
More importantly:
- The missiles are not the primary kill tool at short and medium range.
- The 4×30 mm cannons:
- Kill aircraft faster than most proximity-fused SAMs
- Are highly effective against helicopters, drones, and low-flying jets
- Can destroy aircraft even after a missile forces an evasive maneuver
Over-G’ing a missile does not matter much when the target immediately enters a dense 30 mm fire envelope. That combined pressure is exactly why the 2S6 overperforms at 10.7.
2) “Pantsir has the range but ITO-90 has everything else”
This is factually incorrect.
What the Pantsir-S1 has that the ITO-90 does not:
- ~8–9 km greater effective engagement range
- Much higher missile velocity, reducing reaction time
- Superior radar tracking stability, especially against:
- Fast jets
- Guided bombs
- Stand-off munitions
The range difference alone is decisive:
- Pantsir can engage aircraft before they reach weapon release altitude
- ITO-90 often has to wait until after ordnance deployment
- That is not a small advantage—it fundamentally changes CAS survivability
Additionally:
- Pantsir’s radar is far more forgiving in cluttered environments
- It maintains lock more reliably during evasive maneuvers
- It performs missile and bomb interception more consistently
So no, the ITO-90 does not “have everything else.” It is simply out-ranged and out-controlled.
3) “Russia is easy to evade unlike German top tier SPAA”
This argument conflates player mistakes with system capability:
- German top-tier SPAA punishes low-skill, straight-line CAS
- Russian top-tier SPAA punishes all CAS, including:
- High-altitude stand-off attacks
- Pre-emptive bomb lofting
- Post-release evasive maneuvers
Being “easy to evade” only applies if:
- The SPAA operator reacts late
- The aircraft already has altitude, speed, and spacing
- The Pantsir is played incorrectly
At equal player skill, Pantsir denies airspace earlier and more completely than any other SPAA at the same BR.
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2S6’s missile turns into a slug after 5km.
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Lmao I have flown F-4 earlys around 2s6 AAMs.
Also if you die to guns from either you put yourself too close.
The high g aams act like guns
Vehicle:IJN Isuzu
Gamemode: Naval Realistic
BR Change: 4.7 -----> 4.3
Reason: Lack of AP shells
Vehicle:VLT-1
Gamemode: Naval Realistic
BR Change: 3.3 -----> 3.0
Reason: Lacks secondary fire power
