Not really. What tank guns at the BR have HE but cannot reliably penetrate an M4? Protection against aircraft is an issue, but CAS is most frequently American and the loss in roof armour is more than made up with by the ability to reliably UFP Panthers and Jagdpanthers, combined with much more reliable performance against other heavy targets at the BR. I gladly trade roof armour for the ability to actually frontally kill Tiger IIs and other heavy uptier targets.
Dont give them any wrong ideas on the M26, pleaae. Theyll literally just move everything else to 7.0 because gaijin hates to be wrong.
Also, the KV220 is perfect at 5.7. It only have 100mm of armor and is easily one shot through the driver port/UFP. Mind you it has WORSE 85mm ammo than any other 85mmβ¦
It regularly fights panthers and tigers, and even M36s, all of which can one shot it even in an angled CQB stance. The only tragedy is losing the TV to 6.0, but panthers needed to go up
279 def should be 9.0
Tiger II P, feels like the M26 scenario, just doesnt make sense
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Leopard 2av should Come back to 9?7 because itβs worst than a t-72 1989
yeah ik tiger E op
I said performance compared to their other vehicles. Win rate isnβt their performance, win rate is their teamβs performance.
What you are telling me that a tiger E can be op in front of a is 6 and a is3?
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t99 isnβt touched because its a main nation premium
its was a joke bro but probably. its not that the is-3 needs moved up, they both need moved up m26 is .7 higher than tiger e yet has worse armor and a worse gun we need decompression and not skill based Brβs
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Lol first try to get the T55E1, SPAA for US is just a joke, cant really include it as a line up, just sits there to look pretty,
Oh okay
there is a 4.7 us line up, that is if you dont die and pay for a premium
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what are you waffling about the 2s38 and strf9049c are SO MUCH BETTER than the OTOMATIC, i have both the OTO and the 2S38, the 2S38 is a better spaa than the OTO, the OTO is 11.3 for some reason probably because us compitant players play it.
And the VIdar will still be OP at 8.0, i run into this thing at 11.3 and its gets top of the team like half the time, altho not saying much because 11.3 players suck
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I thought OTOMATIC has the radar. It doesnβt?
so the m26 is now an equivalent to a tiger2h?? gaijin pls keep the m26s at 6,3
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Some changes for some trees
US
m36 5.3 β 4.7 (mid gun, long reload, zero survivability)
m36b2 5.7 β 5.3 (still mid even with heatfs, and 5.3 fits the line up better)
m4a3 76 β 5.3 (mid gun, poor armor, mediocre speed)
m41a1 and varients 6.0 β 6.0 (tall profile, pitiful apds round)
t25 -6.3 β 6.0 (stab removed, mid gun, long reload, bad hull armor, painfully slow)
M26 6.3 β 6.3 (see βt25β)
t34 6.7 β 7.0 (good armor, good gun if slow reload)
m47 and varients 7.3 β 7.0 (bad turret armor, mid gun, long reload)
M1a2 β 12.0
GR
Dicker Max 3.7 β 3.0 (good gun but, slow reload, zero survivability, poor horizontal firing angles, extremely slow speed)
Sturer emil 4.3 β 3.7 (see Dicker max)
Pz IV H 3.7 β 4.0 (good armor, good gun)
leKPz 6.3 β 6.3 (tall profile, mediocre heatfs round)
kugelblitz 7.0 β 6.7 or otherwise stay at 7.0 and remove HE from AP/HVAP belts
tiger 2h (88 and 105) 6.7 β 7.0 (good armor, good gun)
marder a1 7.7 β 7.0 (crappy atgm of which in only has four of, which is its only, and not even reliable, method to kill other tanks with)
Marder 1a3 -8.0 β 7.7 or give milan 2βs
TAM 8.7 β 9.0 (Fast, good apfsds, decent reload, great reverse speed)
Begleit 9.3 β 9.0 or give fire on the move atgm
PUMA 10.0 β 9.7 (poor armor at 10.0, autocannon isnt very effective)
2a6 β 12.0
RU
Yag-10 3.3 β 2.3 (very slow, poor depression, poor targeting speeds, limited firing angle, no armor)
SU-152 4.0 β 3.7 (mediocre armor, extremely long reload, low velocity, very limited firing angles, very slow targeting speeds)
isu-152 4.7 β 4.3 (see SU-152 +extremely slow)
isu-122 5.3 β 4.7 (see isu-152 -low velocity)
isu-122s 5.7 β 5.0 (see isu-122)
ASU-85 6.3 β 6.0 (no armor, slow, very limited targeting angles, slow targeting speed)
is-2 6.0 β 6.0 (mediocre armor, slow, extremely long reload, 122mm round is made extremely unreliable due to volumetric, very little depression)
is-2 6.3 β 6.0 (see is-2 its effectively the same exact vehicle, why its higher is mind boggling)
is-3 7.0 β 7.3 (its armor is a bit too much for 7.0 now)
is-7 8.3 β 8.7 (see is-3)
0bj 279 8.7 β 9.0 (see is-7)
t80bvm 11.7 β 12.0
pantsir 11.7 β 12.0 (by far the best SPAA in-game)
BR
Comet 5.0 to 4.7 or please fix its apds round, its so bad
Conqueror 7.7 β 8.0 (incredible armor and gun if long reload, stabilizer)
JP
Na-to 3.3 β 2.3 (extremely slow, Limited targeting angles, zero survivability, very poor targeting speed)
Chi-to βearlyβ 4.7 β 4.3 (its worse than the late)
chi-ri II 5.0 β 4.7 β (Very Slow, very big, very bad armor)
type 61 6.7 β 6.3 (its just an sta-3 but with a way slower reload due to it lacking the autoloader)
IT
Breda 501 4.7 β 4.3 (limited traverse, poor traverse speed, zero survivability)
m36b1 5.7 β 5.0 (its far worse than the m36b2)
r3-t20 5.7 β 5.0 (this thing has been obliterated into dust by nerfs out of persecution by the entire community, ive never seen a vehicle so unanimously hated)
auble 74 6.7 β 6.3 (poor turning radius, poor acceleration, limited heatfs effectiveness)
auble hvg gaijin plz its cannon is nigh unusably bad
R3 t106 8.0 β 7.7 (poor targeting speed, no armor, no stabilizer, low muzzle velocity, long reload, low ammo count)
FR
AMX-13 FL11 4.0 β 3.3 (poor armor, no gyrostab, low velocity)
m4a4 sa50 5.0 β 4.7 (very slow, poor damage, long reload, mediocre armor, bad reverse speed, no 50.)
EBR 1951 5.3 β 4.7 (slow acceleration, low pen, low velocity, poor armor)
SW
PBv 301 2.3 β 1.7 (very slow, no armor, slow targeting speed)
Strv m/42 EH -2.7 > 2.0 (very low pen, low velocity)
Sav m/43 1946 3.0 β 2.3 (very slow, mediocre armor, long reload, limited traverse, very slow targeting speeds)
Skills players do not make the vehicle theyβre using OP. You have to compare their performance to similar class vehicles, not win rates, KDR & KMR Kill-to-Match Ratio for the 2nd.
If VIDAR is OP then they should have far more KDR & KMR compared to AUF1, Akatsya [however itβs spelled].
OTO could have its APFSDS removed and be moved to 9.7 - 10.3 IMO.
@MurkyShallows
lol Putting BVM above all other 11.7s is hilarious, itβs on-par at best.
TOR-M1 is superior to Pantsir BTW.
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Japanese F104J and Chinese F-104G both have same engine and air to air weapon. Why F104J still at 10.3 and F104G is 10.7
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I agree, however, they shouldnβt be starting rounds
Compelling argument.
And thats how you make it 10.7