Then Lightning F6 to 9.0 then. As it looses all speed if you try to turn and the Red Tops can be defeated instantly by turning even slightly. The 30mm ADENs have extremely short range due to high ballistic drop.
F-104 to 9.0 then because it also cannot turn at all, it is limited to flying in straight line
Looking at the rest of the comments others seem to disagree, but I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.
They lack wing slats
Su-27SM with 4x Kh-29TDs and 1x KAB-1500KR is pretty good.
The Su-24M is also pretty decent, along with the KA-52s, Ka-50s, Mi-28NMs, MiG-27K / MiG-27M, SU-25BMs, SU-39s and SU-25Ts.
F8U-2 10.0 to 10.7. because its better than most 10.3-10.7. It claps anything at 10.0 and below with 4 aim9D, supersonic plane and 60 flares? It needs to go higher
Bruh
Instead of lowering the Su-27 and J-11 to 13.0, I would like to see a change to increase the BR of the current 13.3 and 13.7 aircraft.
As long as these two aircraft have R-27ER, they should not be set to the same BR no matter how F-15 and JAS39 have powerful radar and AIM-9M, they are not enough to make up the difference in BVR.
It is clear that if this BR change is made, we will be back to the distorted situation before the “Seek & Destroy” update.
It may not be as great of an SPAA as the ZSU-37-2, but I guarantee you that its anti-tank capabilities are being slept on.
Why are you trying to turn fight in a F104 in the first place, its made for BaZ, the FM nerf doesn’t affect it much if you just BaZ (Boom and Zoom)
He is claiming the Mig-21F-13 is 9.0 worthy because it has weak AAMs and then that its barely supersonic because it looses speed when it turns.
If that is true for the Mig-21F-13 its true of the F-104 and Lightning F6
Air RB, Kfir Canard . 11.3 > 11.0. This plane doesn’t have much counter measures and has pretty bad missiles to fight even with MIG-23.
GRB, Centurion Mk.10 (STRV 101, e.t.c), 8.0 > 7.7.
Honestly, Cent. Mk.10s aren’t THAT huge of an improvement over the Mk.3. Yes, you get better sabot, but then again, it’s sabot, the spall isnt huge. Same hull, slightly different mantlet, same mid mobility. This would also help improve the swedish 7.7 ‘lineup’, which only has 2 tanks as of right now.
Every mode, ALL top tier MBT’s bar the Ariete’s.and Challenger’s. 12.0 > 13.7. Since air is at 13.7 why not ground? Also the Chally’s and Art’s are pretty sad.
One other overlooked vehicle
Ground RB. Pantsir-S1. 11.7 > 12.0. By far the strongest SPAA in-game, it’s the bane of top tier cas which other nations have nothing to match it currently, the fact it’s only a BR step above the Type 81 but with a lot faster missiles, cannons and radar which some aircraft aren’t even able to pick up on RWR, the thing should always match the highest BR ceiling everytime they’re increased. (If it were up to me the thing should be the sole 14.0 of the game)
Cent Mk.10 gets an additional 44mm to the UFP.
Guys, do a search before you make a new post. Clogging up the thread hugely:
There are already TONS of posts saying the same exact thing as your post:
Oh I see. I hadn’t appreciated that, I thought you were suggesting that those planes should be 9.0.
He is wrong, the MiG-21F-13 has no business being at 9.0. The same is true for the Lightning and the F-104. Keep in mind that you can’t so easily draw this parallel since the Lightning/Starfighter are much more competitive than the MiG21F-13, even post Starfighter nerf. The lightning has decent retention in the right speed ranges.
None of these planes need to go down. That latter two drastically need to go up.
GRB, Object 906, 8.0 > 8.3.
How is it at 8.0? It gets access to great APHE (for an 85mm cannon), stabilizer, HEATFS, good mobility and a 4s autoloader. MIND YOU, CHAR 25T IS THE SAME BR, and it gets a worse shell, no stabilizer, no HEATFS, same 4s autoloader, and just slightly better mobility.
you mean 2025?
None of the fixed wing CAS except for the SM3 get high quality thermals with extremely good zoom and none of them get TGPs theyre all stuck with forward looking cams making any laser guided weapons mostly suicidal to use
I dint know why you included helicopters in this list because western SPAA and even most MBTs with proxy fuse can deal with them no problem
