The ideal solution is to give them thermals, and then rename the vehicle to strela-10M3, so it is balanced at 10.0.
Then why dont one just use a 2S38?(well its exaggerated but)
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Yeah… No,… missiles works vs F-5’s you’re just too demanding.
They really don’t like baguettes
Mirage being the only 12.0 to move to 12.3 feels like a mistake while the 11.0 planes are getting brutalized by f-16s and Mig 29s.
Also where is the 2S38? That thing should have been 11.0 AGES ago.
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Lmao, they they can flare right before it hits and the rise time mechanic still will not stop my 9G or J or R-13 from slamming them, the only effective counter is radar missiles and thats if they are stupid enough to not dodge the shitty one’s at that br.
Its a fact they burn too cold, the bug report is there, its also very obvious that missiles do hardly anything against them as you have to get within 1.5km of them to lock half the time even on full afterburner.
I played the F-5E when it used to face F-16 / Mig-29 and it had 0 chance against them. That´s why it went to 10.7, remember? I am not asking to keep it at 10.7, rather raise the F-16 / Mig-29 higher ok?
Now here is my list after spading nearly every single German tank and plane (only 5 planes left to fully spade the tree).
RB Germany planes:
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Do217 N1 / N2 / E2 / E4 - BR 2.0
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Do217 K1 - BR 2.3
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Do217 M1 - BR 2.7
Why are they so high in the first place? Made out of paper, my tail torn off every single time I got hit even with british 7mm MG. Turns worse than a B-29 and extremely slow. I just don´t understand. The only one I got some results was the M1 in a full downtier. What a horrible experience spading them I tell ya. -
Do 335 A0 / A1 - BR 3.7
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Do 335 B2 - BR 4.0
They are boats with bugged FM and extremely high drag. One bullet hits you and you either burn or you turn into an even bigger brick.
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Fw 190 A4 - 3.7
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Fw 190 A5 / A5U12 / A8 - 4.0
Swap position of Fw 190 D9 with Fw 190 A5. I think your intern made a mistake there when you implemented foldering recently.
Also about a year ago you completely bricked the elevator authority of iconic planes nicknamed the Butcher Birds. Even a Russian bomber outmaneuvers the Fw 190 these days. Either fix the FM, or implement my proposal. -
Me 410 B6R3 - 4.3
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Bf 109Z - 4.0
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Bf 109 K4 / G10 - BR 5.3 and folder with G14.
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Ta 152C3 - BR 6.0
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Ho 229 - BR 6.7 or restore full HVAP belt and un-nerf gun accuracy.
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He 162 - BR 6.3 - it´s absolutely OP at 6.0.
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Me 262 A1 / A1U1 / A JABO - 6.7
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Me 262 C1 - 7.0
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Me 262 C2 - 7.3
These planes have been overtiered for the longest time. Time to ease the suffering. -
Hunter F58 - BR 10.0 - it´s very OP at 9.7 and unfair for the enemies.
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CL13MK6 - 9.0
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F84F - 7.0. I am sorry but I am not touching this plane. IMO the flight model must be bugged. This might be the worst performing plane in WT and maybe even if you stick it at 7.0 it would still suffer.
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Mig 19S - 9.7
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Mig 23BN - 10.0
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F104G - 11.0
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F-4F - 11.3 and give AIM9L + it´s historical Maverick capability (3x + 3x loadout)
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Mig 21MF - 10.7
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Tornado ASSTA / MFG - 11.0
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Mig 29A / G - 13.3
Ground vehicles RB:
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Sd.Kfz.251/21 - 2.7
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Ostwind 2 - 4.7
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Kugelblitz - 6.3
I am sorry but Germany with USA has the worst SPAA line in the entire game. That is unacceptable considering the brutal allied CAS raids, players have to endure and instead of SPAA, people have to rely on spawning fighters. -
Pz IV G/H/J - move to rank III
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Sd.Kfz.234/2 - move to rank III
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Leopard I - 7.7. It´s too OP at 7.3 but it gets outclassed by contemporaries at 8.0.
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MAUS - 7.3
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Panther II - 6.7
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PUMA - 9.7
General RB suggestion:
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F-16 A all - 13.3
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F-16C - 13.7
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Mig 29 all - 13.3
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Su 27 / J-11 - 13.7
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Jas39 all - 13.7
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F-14 all - 13.3
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F-15A - 13.3
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F-15C - 13.7
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Mirage 2000 all - 12.7
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Yak3 - 5.7
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Yak3UFO - 6.3
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Su-11 - 7.7
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BTRZD - 6.3
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M53/59 - 7.0
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Strela-10M2 - 9.7
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ZSU-23-4 - 8.3
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ZSU-37-2 - 8.0
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2S38 - 11.3
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BMP2M - 11.7
Regarding SB:
I don´t understand why american F-4E is at 10.7 while the worse German F-4F is at 11.0. Make them both 11.3.
- T-2 - 10.3
- F104J - 10.7
- F104G both - 10.7
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T20 to 6.3?
How about this?
T20 stays at 6.0, the M26 goes back to 6.3
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(seeing no links)
you also have the stormer HVM at 10.3 with missiles that dont even work and have been like that for as long as I can remember, every now and then it might get fixed for a few weeks so you can kill helicopters and maybe 1 in 10 missiles will hit a plane, then it breaks again and you will never hit a plane and maybe 1 in 4 missiles will actually hit a helicopter
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I feel that raising the BR for french vehicles from 7.7 to 8.0 is unnecessary. Their shells are just AP and are already underpeforming at 7.7, struggling to penetrate 6.7 tanks.
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M60A3 TTS (China)
This vehicle has a DIRECT counterpart in the US tree, even sporting the same name and BR (9.0). The issue lays in the Chinese version being objectively worse! It doesn’t have M774 as its top ammunition, being forced to use the nerfed M735, while having 260mm of penetration APDS as its stock round instead of the 400mm pen HEAT-FS. One issue, though not as critical, the US version also is outfitted with ERA protection, which the chinese version also doesn’t get. Please add the M774 to it and consider putting the ERA as an add-on armor modification.
ZTS63 7.7 → 7.3 or reload from 7,5s to 6s
The Swedish IKV-91 fulfills practically the same role of a fast, LRF equipped HEAT-FS slinger at the same BR. The IKV has better damage (90mm vs 85mm), better penetration (400mm vs 300mm), better reload (6s vs 7,5s), double the gun depression, better optics and 2,5 TIMES better horizontal aiming speed. To add insult to injury its hull also turns faster and has better reverse speed while having practically the same armor and HP/t. What does ZTS have over it? An HMG.
Even if the capability difference somehow isn’t enough for a 0.3 BR gap, then clearly that reload needs to be improved.
M113A1 (TOW), China, Italy, Israel 8.3 → 8.0
These vehicles currently sport the same BR as full fledged IFVs like the Bradley, Warrior and also the M901 which features double shot capability and thermals. The capability difference is just unnecesarily large, especially against autocannon carries that also have better optics, armor and mobility.
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MiG29smt at 12.7 but MiG29G still at 12.3 while the weapons are the same but the MiG29G has a better flight model, are you ok gaijin?
Another thing, keeping f15s at 12.3 is ok because i think they’ll add a “late” version but with aim120 but then why not keeping the Su27 at 12.3 and adding a late version as well with r77?
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huh,… F-16A Block 10 being 13.0 and Mirage 2000-5F should be at least 13.3 (and will go up to 13.7 when Magic-2 would recieves the 50G short ranges // MICA appears in game)
You want me to look it up for you?..
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/XA4uTA29qiaR
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being considered as “not a bug” - find something being considered as a bug please. ^^"
Revert the M735 changes from last year.
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I’m also surprised to see no BR increase for 2S38 and F5C, both of which are incredibly powerful premium vehicles.
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you answered your own question lol
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Why exactly is the british Mustang Mk1A being moved to 3.7 but not the US Mustang?
Also questioning why the Mustang Mk1A is being moved up if the P51C is at 3.7. P51C has noticably better performance, the only thing its worse at is firepower which shouldnt be an excuse with the performance difference. The P51C could easily be 4.0.
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You’re gonna say that after they’ve released 4 devblogs saying things aren’t bugs because they don’t like the MF source…
It has valid scientific papers discussing the temperatures of the engines, you haven’t provided a single objective statement yet.
I’m done with this conversation. You think it shouldn’t go up, I think it should.
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