Thank the LORD the F-4C went down atleast.
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Vehicle: Hunter FGA9
Gamemode: Air Sim
BR Change: 9.7 ----> 9.3
Reason: It has almost identical performance to the Hunter F6 (France) and yet sits 0.7 BR higher in SB and 0.3 higher than it does in RB. There is no justification for this BR increase and its BR should be lowered to 9.3
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This^^^ with the F16A going down, this should follow it
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Yep, sad to see that the T-80UD isn’t going to 10.7, it’s more armored, faster reloading, better optics, better mobility t72. Love it
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Never carried R-73
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Guys, I think it’s one of the worst decisions to give higher b. R. Basically, it’s the worst IFV for my opinion.
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Vehicle: Sea Harrier FRS1 (SQV)
Gamemode: Air Sim
BR Change: 11.3 ----> 11.0
Reason: Going from 2x Aim-9Ls to 4x Aim-9Ls does not justify a 0.7 BR increase. The Sea Harrier has extremely low performance currently and is fairly defenseless vs many other 11.3. Most notably aircraft like the Mig-23MLD also at 11.3 in Sim, outperform it dramatically.
(Additional note: Both Sea Harriers are underperforming significantly due to missing features. Adding radar gunsight, Replace placeholder HUD and fix the incorrect RWR on the SQV. Additionally, all Harriers have a sooty exhaust that needs to be removed and an IR signature that is 10x hotter than it should be)
(as a minor side note, please reclass the Sea Harrier’s to be naval fighters not strike aircraft as this would be a more accurate description of the Sea Harrier. Additionally, this would enable it to be used as a CAP without increasing the SP cost of far better CAS aircraft such as the Jaguar Gr1A or Buc S2B at the same BR in GRB)
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Simulator Battles, SU-25SM3, 12.3 > 11.7
A subsonic attacker with very limited air to air capability is unfair to be placed at 12.3. This plane sits at 12.3 while the SU-39 which gets twice the IR missiles and a very potent radar pod is going down to 11.3. The competition at 12.3 get good radars + SARH / ARH missiles, IRCCM IR missiles. I request the current proposed battle rating change to apply to simulator battles as well.
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Vehicle: Sea-Vixen F.A.W Mk.2
Gamemode: Air RB
BR Change: 9.0 ----> 8.7
Reason: It has no guns and extremely easy to defeat rear-aspect only IR Missiles. Anything with flares renders it unplayable (not that you need flares to defeat the Red Tops, turning slightly is enough). Increasing its BR increases the number of aircraft with flares it can encounter and therefore it is rendered unplayable.
Alternative solution: Give Red Tops their missing All-aspect lock ability and add the Sea-Vixen’s Missing Napalm (2 year old bug report for those)
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A-5c (rb) 10.7 → 10.3
slower than all strike aircraft of the br while having low CM amount and lacking flight performance for the br
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Vehicle: Tornado Gr1 (and by extension the Tornado ASSTA1 and Tornado A200A)
Gamemode: Air Realistic and Air Sim
BR Change: 11.7 ----> 11.3
Reason: It has identical performance within these gamemodes to the Torando MFG, Torando WTD61 and Tornado A200 (Italy). There is no justifcation or reason for these aircraft to be at a higher BR. In fact the Tornado Gr1 is the weakest of all Tornado IDS with the Nerfed Mk101 engines, Mk13 bombs only partially mitigate this nerf.
(heck in Sim, even the F-111C which is overall superior to the Tornado Gr1 has an 11.3 BR)
Alternative solution: Add Aim-9Li (inplace of the Gr1s missing Aim-9Ms) and/or add the Tornado Gr1s Missing BOL rails. Give the Tornado’s at 11.7 a reason to be at a higher BR
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Vehicle: Harrier Gr7
Gamemode: Air Realistic & Air Sim
BR Change: 12.3 ----> 12.0
Reason: The Harrier Gr7 has no radar and sub-sonic flight performance. It is well equipped with a defensive loadout but has limited ability to survive against a smart and determined attacker. Its BR also renders it extremely hard to use it within its main role of A2G attack. Additionally, there is no 12.3 Bracket. So the Harrier Gr7 is always at a minimum fighting 12.7s and therefore has a Psuedo BR of 12.7 not 12.3. Lowering it to 12.0 would massively increases its playability.
In ARB, its now going to be directly facing aircraft like the F-16 on the regular with their BR reduction.
Alternative Solution: Give the Harrier Gr7 its native MAWS and not the C&P from the F-111A. Add the missing 2x Aim-9Ms and 2x AGM-65s . Fix the exhaust being sooty to reduce visiblity. Fix the IR signature being so hot its nearly impossible to flare anything.
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Since the Israeli F-16C Barak II is going to 12.7 in ground, does it mean it will get mavericks or something? I think the current CAS payload for it does not deserve a +0.3 in GRB.
Also, any chance stretching air vehicle GRB BR to 13.0 so players could avoid playing with 11.7 prem players?
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Vehicle: AMX A-1A
Gamemode: Air Realistic & Air Sim
BR Change: ARB: 11.3 -----> 11.0. ASB: 11.3 → 10.7
Reason: The AMX A-1A has an identical flight model to its TT counterpart but with slightly better AAMs, but not good enough to justify it being 0.7 BRs higher than it.
Additonally it has a similar combat performance to that of the Sea Harrier FRS1e and has a similar A2A loadout. It does hold an advantage of higher CM count and better AAMs, but this does not justify being 0.7 BR higher and the FRS1 with 4x 9Ls is also 11.0, lower than the AMX A-1A.
10.7 for Air Realistic is possibly needed, it really comes down to the relative performance between Aim-9Ls and the MAA-1 Piranha’s and whether the 120 CMs and MAA-1s are better suited at 11.0
Air Sim should get a lower BR as the lack of radar greatly impacts aircraft with All-aspect AAMs to use them in all-aspect, and any advantage over the Aim-9Ls the AAMs on the AMX might have is mitigated by this fact and the overall slow speed of the aircraft to get into good rear-aspect positions on a succesfully ID’ed target and should share a BR with the Sea Harrier FRS1e
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Vehicle: Phantom FG1
Gamemode: Air Realistic
BR Change: 12.0 ----> 11.7
Reason: It has one of the worst A2A weapon loadouts at that BR and is being carried by the fact it has decent engines and slightly more CMs than most. But VS equivalent F4s like the F4S, it stands no chance, let alone aircraft on its own tree like the Tornado F3 that is universally better in almost all respects at the same BR.
(Add Aim-9Ls to the Phantom FGR2 and leave it at 12.0)
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aaaaand ground gets neglected once again, amazing keep it up gaijin
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arb,grb,srb,AMX A-1A, 11.3 > 10.7
reason: cant bomb base because f4s and other premium jet, cant kill ground because always dead by missile radar, cant kill enemy because this missile bad and jet too slow…
missile piranha its bad too 45g feel like 30g + easy to flare
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Ground RB, Tiger 2P
6.7 > 6.3
This tank has no reason to be the same BR as Tiger 2H sure it has the same cannon but the armor is less it can be killed frontally from most of 5.7 tanks so there is no reason for it to be 6.7
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Yes it did. I’ll find the source later, but the R-27R didn’t work, but the R-73 did work. Therefore, it should be added.
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Seeing that the Antelope isnt in this is wild.
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