Planned Battle Rating changes for August 2025 (updated 16:00, 15.08)

Vehicle - Strv 103C
Mode: Ground RB
BR: 9.0 > 8.7
Reasoning: The Strv 103C is already struggling at it’s current BR. The earlier versions at 8.0 are fine because they can somewhat rely on their armor against APDS and other earlier AP shells. Against APFSDS and more powerful HEAT-FS, it’s completely powerless. This problem is only worsened by the fact that pretty much every vehicle at 9.0-10.0 has full stabilisers, lightning fast reaction time and much more powerful cannons, while the Strv 103C has to stop before you can accurately aim which means it has a MUCH slower reaction time.

Even if the Strv 103C survives the first hit, it’s very likely that either the gearbox or the engines (or both) gets hit, and the aiming system is rendered completely powerless, i.e. there is nothing you can do to retaliate. Speaking of engines, all of the Strv 103s have two independent engines. Even if one is destroyed, the other one can function completely independently, something that is not modeled in War Thunder. Oh, and it doesn’t even get thermals, something that many other MBTs are starting to get.

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Mode: Ground Realistic Battles
Vehicle: ZA-35
BR Change with new round (dm23): 8.3 → 8.7

Reasoning: cuz the ITPSV Leopard carries the DM23 round at BR 8.7. Its mobility surpasses that of the ZA-35, though it has a lower top speed.

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F-5C (US)
10.7>10.0, remove countermeasures
Reasoning:
The F-5C is a pretty poor vehicle. Manueverable, sure, but also slow and the AIM-9Es aren’t gonna do much of anything at 10.7. Additionally as everyone by now knows the countermeasures are fictional and were never fitted nor planned to be fitted. They’re technically compatible if the US has wanted to, but a lot of things are “technically compatible if we wanted to” (AIM-7F for the British Phantoms, anyone?) and that’s not a very good argument. So, why not kill two birds with one stone by accurately modeling this aircraft and then putting it at a BR where it will actually thrive?

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Suggestion,

RB NF

Freccia class Motoconvertibili Freccia P-493 & Saetta P-494 4.7 to 4.3

There’s currently no point in a BR 4.7 for the supposed coastal forces, the current BR is a legacy BR from when everything hadsimple damage models & the Breda 40 mm/70 HE shells had double the TNT equivalent thanks to a bug.

Both vessels of the class should see a reduction.

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Vehicle - SIDAM 25
Mode: Ground RB
BR: 8.3 > 8.0
Reasoning: It is worse than all other SPAA around it’s BR. It has low amount of ammo, lacks search radar, lacks smoke grenades (most other 8.3 SPAA has access to this) and it cannot be used with the italian 8.0 lineup.

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You don’t know how simulator battles work, do you?

There’s no such thing as getting “uptiered” in air simulator, you can just wait till the bracket that your plane is at the top of goes live and wreak havoc. It’s always a predetermined set of vehicles that can play in a simulator bracket.

A-10C is too good for 11.7 with HMD, MAW and AIM-9M (and especially the AIM-9M since it can do HMD slaving with it easily)

Edit: Checking the spreadsheet again, you now have 4 days in a row where you can play 12.0 to 11.0 brackets, instead of previously 2 days every week. So don’t tell me you’re gonna have trouble playing 12.0 in A-10C in Air Simulator because the blue team gets every advantage in these brackets with the sparrows and SuperTEMPs.

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Agreed. Gaijin won’t let me like your post because of the dumb limit.

It’s funny that it’s a higher BR than the M24 while also being worse, and it’s direct proof that gaijin sucks at balancing because they rely only on player stats.

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Vehicle - SIDAM 25 (Mistral)
Mode - Ground RB
BR - 9.7 > 9.3
Reasoning: This vehicle is worse than most other 9.3 or 9.7 SPAA. It doesn’t have a search radar, it lacks smoke grenades, it has a very tall silhouette making it easy to hit, has low mobility, low ammo count and no thermal imaging. Almost every other SPAA at 9.3 has better capabilities than this vehicle, for example the chinese PGZ04A (thermals, seach radar, smoke grenades), the french SANTAL (search radar, thermals, smoke grenades, scouting) or the israeli Machbet (thermals). Not only that, lowering the SIDAM 25 (Mistral)'s BR to 9.3 will make it fit into Italy’s very populated 9.3 lineup, whereas the only SPAA Italy could use prior is the SIDAM 25 or the Shilka.

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If you make a post about it then I can atleast like your post.

Air RB

Q-5A: 10.0>9.7

It’s a mig-19 side grade, and it doesn’t deserve 10.0 while lacking missiles.

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25t Tank → 7.7 in Arcade Battle
Not as good as the Object 906.

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Vehicle - OTOMATIC
Mode - Ground RB
BR - 11.3 > 10.7
Reasoning: The OTOMATIC is severely underperforming at it’s BR because it simply cannot shoot down the current CAS planes it meets at and around it’s BR, much less compete with other anti-air systems. Even in real life it only had an effective range of around 4km, which is FAR exceeded by the effective range of any strike aircraft over 10.7. Comparing the OTOMATIC to the 2S38 which is believed to take on the same role in real life, it lacks radar, but has a huge magazine (whereas the OTOMATIC can only shoot 29 rounds before having to reload), unlimited anti-armor ammunition (OTOMATIC has only 12 APFSDS shells available), better thermals, better mobility, much smaller size, laser warning system and the benefits of a light tank (Scouting and UAV).

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doesn’t use DM23, and doesn’t have the dual feel for it like the Gepard/marksman (similar reason as XM246)

though there is an open bug report on its ammunition

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/E86xhgXyJzSi

APCI-T should have 100mm pen at 1km, would be a very nasty round, especially if put in a belt with SAPHEI

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F-100D (French) → 9.3 in arcade battle. At the same level as the American F-100D.

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Vehicle: Tornado IDS (1995)
Mode: Air RB
BR: 11.7 > 11.3
Reasoning: The Tornado IDS (1995) is the exact same aircraft as the regular Tornado IDS, other than the addition of guided bombs. The guided bombs only affect it’s effectiveness in Ground Battles, but has zero impact on Air Battles. Lowering it’s BR will also make it a lot less punishing in uptiers, and it won’t meet 12.7 aircraft.

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AMX M4 6.7 seconds reload → 4 seconds.

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Vehicle: Tornado IDS MLU (RET.8)
Mode: Air RB
BR: 11.7 > 11.3
Reasoning: The Tornado IDS MLU (RET.8) is the exact same aircraft as the regular Tornado IDS, other than the addition of guided bombs. The guided bombs only affect it’s effectiveness in Ground Battles, but has zero impact on Air Battles. Lowering it’s BR will also make it a lot less punishing in uptiers, and it won’t meet 12.7 aircraft.

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Air RB

Q-5L: 10.0>10.7, add PL-5Bs and give it its historical CM count of 64.

This will differentiate it more from the other Q-5s, while also giving China another 10.X plane.

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Sabra should remain at 10.0 and not be moved to 10.3. Why is the Sabra going to 10.3 when in every way its a downgrade compared to the AMBT which is still at 10.0.

Object 906 → 8.0 in arcade battle.
Autoloader, stab, APHE and HEAT-FS, good mobility.

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