JA-37D
12.0>12.3
Reasoning: AIM-9L and otherwise still decent performance. please note decompression.
Mode: Air Realistic Battles
Vehicle: Shenyang F-5
BR Change: 9.3 → 9.0
The Shenyang F-5 is essentially a Lim-5P/MiG-17PF but with R-3S missiles. The R-3S missiles do very little to improve the overall effectiveness of the vehicle, and it makes very little sense than the F-5 is 0.7 BR above its counterparts. The MiG-17AS is 0.3 BR above the MiG-17 whilst also being a simple missile upgrade. 9.3 → 9.0 also brings about a massive gap in vehicle effectiveness due to the compression at this region. The difference between the ‘average 9.0’ and the ‘average 9.3’ is massive compared to the difference between 8.7 and 9.0. The F-5 deserves 9.0
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F-14D won’t be that hard to implement, externally its almost identical to F-14B. The biggest differences that I know of were to the cockpit and radar so it would make sense for the 3rd and final production series Tomcat to have updated weapons
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In the case of the Tornado FGR.4 its likely based on perceived payload. She carries a boatload of Brimstones into Ground RB as well as a whole lot of guided bombs as well, and for base bombing she carries enough bombs to flatten at least two bases and likely going as fast as its counterparts if not faster. The two Aim-9Ms are literally just there for defense and I personally would rather take two Aim-9Ms over four Aim-9Ls.
The FGR.2 should stay where it is and get its historic Aim-9Ls.
The FGR.1 and JUNK can move down.
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Vehicle: Buccaneer S.2
Gamemode: Air Realistic & Air Simulator
BR Change: 9.3 ----> 9.0
Reason: This is an incredibly hard aircraft to balance correctly and its BR is heavily dictated by what is considered the most important attributes.
If the Buc S.2 is looked at with respect to its performance to engage and destroy other players, then it is incredibly weak for its BR. Armed with only 2x Aim-9Bs and no Cannons of any kind. This puts its performance well below that of aircraft such as the Scimitar F Mk.1 or Sea-Vixen F.A.W. Mk2. Whilst it handles fairly well, it is hard to justify it being any higher than 8.7, maybe even 8.3 if it wasn’t for its decent speed and acceleration.
If the Buc S.2 is looked at with respect to its performance to make it to a base and drop bombs onto it, then it performs much better, whilst it is no match for super-sonic aircraft such as the Q-5 (early) or the Jaguar Gr1 in terms of reaching a base quickly, it certainly can make a decent pace with a very large bomb load, able to destroy 3.8 bases in a single sortie. It is able to give up some of this bomb load to run external countermeasure pods which carry Large countermeasures. This gives the Buc S.2 a notable amount of survivability to actually make it to a base. I do not believe that bomb load should ever be factored into BR placement, but the CMs do need to be and it could be argued that 9.3 would be semi-reasonable for it.
But when taken as a whole, its ability to fight back (which is mutually exclusive with the ability to take CMs) and the fact that either are totally optional if you wish to maximise bomb load. I would propose a half way point of 9.0. This still leaves it at a BR where other, faster and more capable aircraft exists, but it creates further separation between the very strong set of aircraft currently found at 10.0 and 10.3, which betters it’s chance of making it to a base.
If the Yak-28B which is substantially faster than the Buc S2 can be lowered to 8.7, then the Buc S2 should at least be 9.0 as it has CMs
Additional Solution: The Buccaneer S.2 is currently missing it’s Napalm bombs. The introduction of these bombs would increase the S.2s ground attack effectiveness by allowing it to kill as many bases whilst still running the CM pods, which justifies the 9.3 rating in my opinion.
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The Viggen UP are you joking lmao. Have you FLOWN it? It loses ALL speed after a turn and loses all rudder authority. Awful radar, nothing makes it need to go up.
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F-16A
12.3>12.7
Reasoning: There’s no reason for this 4th gen to be fighting F-4Es. 12.7 is generous.
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Me when skill issue ;)
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Have you ever used that plane ?
F-20A
12.3>12.7
Reasoning:
Again, this 4th gen is way too low, fighting 11.3s is crazy. 12.7 is again still quite generous.
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Vehicle: S.O.4050 Vautour IIB & S.0.4050 Vautour IIA
Gamemode: Air Realistic
BR Change: 9.0 —> 8.7
Reason: It is directly comprable aircraft to the Yak-28B. If that aircraft has moved down to 8.7, despite being substationally faster, then so should the Vautours at 9.0
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Pokry’s P-39 is much lighter due to the deletion of the wing-armament. On a plane as small as the P-39, this makes a big difference. The P-39 is already horrendously undertiered and Pokry’s is too.
If you think they should be the same BR, which is excusable since the 7.62mms do occasionally help, then you should argue that the tech tree P-39 be moved up instead of suggesting that one of the strongest vehicles in the game be moved down. In reality both should be 4.3 or something.
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(GRB) Kurnass 2000 11.7 > 11.3 — Attack jet comparable to Su-39/25T. Dont know how its got rised in the last BR changes if literally noone plays it.
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(ARB) Kurnass 2000 12.3 > 11.7 — Phantom with 6x Fox-2s without irccm on the same BR with F-16 with 6x Fox-2s without irccm. Cant be higher then Mig-23 ML.
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ooh colours
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MiG-29 9.13, 9.12A, 9.12B, Sniper
12.7>13.3, add R-73, remove R-27ER/ET
MiG-29 9.12G
13.0>13.3, remove R-27ER/ET
Reasoning:
Historically accurate armament load that will also make for a much more balanced and effective aircrafts.
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Mode: Naval Realistic Battles
Vehicle: Scharnhorst
BR: 7.3 → 7.7/8.0
Reasoning:
It has too much survivability compared to any ship of its current BR: RN Conte Di Cavour, RN Duilio, HMS Barhem, Stratsbourg and others.
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12.0 maybe.
Python-3 might be non-IRCCM, but they are still one of the best non-IRCCM in game. With 12.0 Phantoms without even all-aspect IRs, 12.0 is as low as it can go.
P-39s are as low as they are because of their survivability, if you’re hit center mass it’ll damage 3 modules that can cripple or kill you outright.
Give the F-14B AIM-9Ms it has to fight the F-2
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