Planned Battle Rating changes for August 2025 (updated 16:00, 15.08)

[Downtown1]

@Normandy Corsair

@Downtown1

F-16A Bl10 don’t have 120s and aren’t getting 120s, the MLU & ADF are getting them–& they are being pushed up to 13.3.

? the comment was about harrier

Point still stands. Harrier is slow, not agile, and no guns if you decide to take the 120s.

@Normandy Corsair

@Downtown1

As a matter of fact its absolutely silly to have a ~600kph attacker to sit at a bracket just for 4 missiles that still don’t guarantee a kill every match.

It’s a bit of a womp womp moment for them because its a better alternative than them being too low of a BR and being detrimental to the game’s overall enjoyment by being super out of place.

As a matter of fact No, A-10A with 9Ls still gets butchered in 10.7 bracket (which reinforces my point for the Su-17/22 R-60Ms being worthless at 11.0, these should be 10.7 max)

Flares start appearing in jets as low as 8.7
9.7 onwards almost every jet has CMs. Every plane at 10.7 bracket area has flares.
F-4C & F-4F [E], CHN F-104G, Mirage 3C & 5F are the only few specific e.gs. that don’t have flares. (which you still can work with by using missiles as frontal headon makeshift flares.)

A-10C is S-L-O-W and its not good enough to be 11.7 & if it went down to 10.7 it would still be a worthless easy jet to kill, as only an idiot would lose to an A-10. There are plenty of CMs.

Case in point, Literally had a battle just yesterday where an enemy teams A-10C was just entering the BF. AFTER all of his team melted away in 2 mins. A-10s are the easiest kills in every match. (btw that A-10C mentioned earlier–used 9Ms, me and my team flared every one of them, he ended the battle with 0 score). This is the only aircraft whose fate is decided before it even reaches the BF.

@Normandy Corsair

@Downtown1

Su-22M3 only have 12 CM

doesnt mean it should get to abuse flareless jets in downtiers

You really don’t get it do ya. This isn’t 2020 “IXWA Strike update” anymore, with airspawns for Strikers/Bomber at mach 1, with 20-30G missile in small maps with 12v12… this is 2025 with bigger maps and better saturation of vehicle variety and 16v16.

R60Ms are not OP and they don’t take over any games in WT at its current state. If you got PTSD from 2020, thats a you problem. Its no longer 2020. Fitters are terrible Strikers in ARB and R-60Ms are terrible at current brackets.

@Normandy Corsair

@Downtown1

If Striker & Bombers don’t get an airspawn, (500m above at the start of the AF). Then yea, Su-17/22, Tornadoes, F-111, Su-24 need to be lowered in ARB. Period, I suggest you go and play several battles to find out yourself what the experience is.

you could have looked at my stat card

No I don’t think I will, cuz that won’t even tell me anything of worth. One individuals stats =/= everyones performance. Are you mental?

@Normandy Corsair

@Downtown1

3 people made a reply who have the same idiotic opinion as you and you think the entire forum is with you?

I showed your comment to people in a few discords. :)

Well well well Lol & I showed my suggestion in several discords myself. Plenty have shown better criticism–(e.g. the Kurnass being 12.0 is better), & some agree–(e.g. A-10C, A-5C, Sea Harrier, Su-17/22, Tornadoes, F111F/C, Su-24, F-16 with 9Ls etc etc they need to be lowered) :D

@Normandy Corsair

@Downtown1

LoL what? nope, I’ve played plenty of battles and accumulated enough experience, 9Ms aren’t guarantee kill weapons.

At that BR they basically are

No, in fact they’re not.

@Normandy Corsair

@Downtown1

Not?

Ok. Bad take tho

I don’t see anyone making any better takes. Strikers without airspawn, in top tier where the meta is being in a fighter than a Striker. Yea my take has more merit atleast.

@Normandy Corsair

@Downtown1

Assuming your lucky and the enemy isn’t aware, and you get close enough where flares don’t matter.
There’s no such things as free kills, get that idea out of your head. You always have to work for your kill.

I’ve used the magic 2 at 12.0 plenty, it’s 2 free kills assuming you are capable of thought.

Good for you, you got brain dead people who can’t compete. I also have always outclassed and defeated the Jag’s everytime in my battles. Flying pinata is what they are and I get excited for easy rewards everytime I see them in battle.

& whilst playing the Jag IS, I have 0/10 battles not been able to bomb bases cuz I’m competing against Tornadoes & Su-17’s which are faster, can’t get close to enemy jets for a so called “free kill with Magic 2” since they got long range missiles for days. & they can see a Jag IS coming their way.

@Normandy Corsair

@Downtown1

So, I guess you need to be explained like some 5 year old.

Grow up.

Touched a nerve? Good! get your panties in a twist. XD

@Normandy Corsair

@Downtown1

What happens if little Timmy who has the capability of a college level mind is in the same 1st or 2nd grande class as you?

What in the schizo are you even talking about

you didn’t get it? hehehe figures.

@Normandy Corsair

@Downtown1

No such thing as free kills.

Sounds like you don’t know how to use magic 2s.

I do FYI, and you don’t understand the concept that you need to pray to get close to 1.5km to make the magic 2s work without the enemy being aware of you approaching.

@Normandy Corsair

@Downtown1

F-4E can standoff fire and has CM to stay safe and superior performance. A good Pilot will nvr let you get close. You’re dependent on luck nothing more, Magic 2 need to be fired at 1.5km to be a guarantee kills.

Sounds like you don’t know how to use magic 2s.

I do FYI, and you don’t understand the concept that you need to pray to get close to 1.5km to make the magic 2s work without the enemy being aware of you approaching.

@Normandy Corsair

@Downtown1

You like to focus and throw the rest of comment out the window I see, I said they could “remain at 12.7 or”

Giving the option at all to be 12.3 implies you think it could be fine.

A Mig-29 with its FUBAR flight model that gaijin still refuses to properly model. With no Fox-1 or 3 just Fox-2’s and just 6 of them… in a bracket it faces equal/better opponents, with Fox-1s and equal Fox-2s.

Yea, the lowest it should be is 12.3

@Normandy Corsair

@Downtown1

other then belittling you haven’t really explained much of anything.

Look in a mirror.

Same to you.

[TheDudesRug]

@__Renzo__

It only took me the 191 games I have in the Jaguar IS to fully ace the crew for free and to grind like 2 million RP to get me to the Typhoon, I really don’t understand how people can do poorly enough in it to think that it needs to move down.

It’s good, hey? I might have to finally give it a run. What’s your go-to strategy with it?

[MotorolaCRO]

@__Renzo__

I really don’t understand how people can do poorly enough in it to think that it needs to move down.

You’re underestimating UK mains.
I don’t recall seeing a single positive post about UK vehicle, ever.

@__Renzo__

But yeah I agree that the format is flawed. I’m happy that Gaijin usually ignores a lot of the changes people request.

Same.
It gets funny seeing people getting mad that Gaijin ignores like 99.4% of suggestions, like they haven’t read the thread at all.

[MotorolaCRO]

Statistics are also infinitely more objective, as these threads and posters can get pretty biased which is obviously far from ideal.

So far I’ve read like 4-5 decent suggestions that aren’t just malding posts.

[TheDudesRug]

@MotorolaCRO

So far I’ve read like 4-5 decent suggestions that aren’t just malding posts.

Yeah, for sure. And it’s funny the amount of locked posts in the general topics section because people think they’re main player and need to make their own whole topic instead of posting in here.

Generally, I’m fine with all the changes. The one i was iffy on (VFM5) was removed. Only sore point for me was removing BMP3 from my 279 lineup, but that’s just me being selfish.

[MotorolaCRO]

@TheDudesRug

Generally, I’m fine with all the changes. The one i was iffy on (VFM5) was removed.

I’m fine with most of those as well.
Only thing I’d want to see is AGS going to 12.0 with M900 and BMP-3 going back down to 9.0. Latter one is fine to a degree as Begleit also moved up.

[WARTURTLE09]

Lets hope they do something about the mirage 4000

[giga_es]

Can you move first tornado f.3 to rank VII it doesnt make any sence that it is in rank VIII with 9L and Fox1 being at 12.0

[Downtown1]

Mig-23 is already a crap jet, you like to play on a regular with it? suffer then.
It should be 10.7 btw.

So on forum comparison, 3 people replied, while the hundreds of other didn’t. You point? illogical.

Mirage 2K?! whole different breed & bracket vs Jag IS a striker with poor performance at its current bracket? very fair and equal level comparison LMFAO. & its still not a free kill, you have to work for it. Get close and hope the enemy is unaware.

[WARTURTLE09]

@Downtown1

Mig-23 is already a crap jet

what.

[idklm]

@Downtown1

Mig-23 is already a crap jet, you like to play on a regular with it? suffer then.
It should be 10.7 btw.

how so?

[AlvisWisla]

Is the AGS moving to 11.3 or 11.7? If not, I see no reason for it to get M900 personally.
The VT-5 is moving up [likely correctly] in part because it fires the 2nd best 105mm round in the game behind M900, and AGS is superior to VT-5 in mobility and turret mechanics… inferior in thermal generation and reload.

[Morvran]

What does that change? Though I personally consider it a rank VIII worthy vehicle

[Morvran]

Mig23MLD should be 12.0

[WARTURTLE09]

thats too much imo

[_Renzo]

I usually have 2 loadouts ready: one with 2x Magic + chaff pod and one with 2x Magic + chaff + bombs.

I usually spawn in with the no bomb loadout, play for easy kills by just sneaking up on people and rear aspect Magic 2 kill them and then go back to base’for new missiles after having 1-2 free kills usually. If there are only a few faster planes left by that time I usually swap to the bomb loadout to get a free base before going to hunt the remaining players.

EDIT: also take full flares, since the pod gives you a lot of chaff already.

[iboopy]

He’s referring to the 11.0 MiG-23M

[Cyber_Boteco]

Object 140 não deve subir para 8.7 sem APFSDS e outras tecnologias
A equipe da Gaijin destruiu a capacidade AAA da China colocando a PGZ09 de 8.3 para 9.0 deixando um vazio do 6.3 até 8.7 no (AB) sem AAA.
Fico muito desapontado e com medo de fazer novos investimentos em compras sem ter garantia da qualidade do veículo Premium após essas terríveis e prejudiciais mudanças.
A Gaijin deve reembolsar os veículos que foram piorados e perderam as capacidades.
Vou parar de comprar veículos Premium e se continuar assim.

[Morvran]

Oh right. Yeah, that’s fine at 11.0

[iboopy]

Yea It’s fine at 11.0
Can potentially see it at 10.7 if it dropped the R60Ms, because everything else about that jet is kinda… awful.