The ADFs from everything ive heard Do NOT have TWS or Datalink
Yes, i know the F-14 and F-16 are seperate aircraft, thanks for pointing it out.
It doesnt excuse the point that Non-IRCCM missiles at the higher echelons of the game (13.0+) simply do not have the performance required in order to obtain a degree of usefulness and effectiveness needed in order to be considered a viable option for a Fox-2.
Any f-16 that has both IRCCM and fox3 at 13.3 is undertiered
Not really true but okay man
If they end up without TWS then they still end up being superior to things like 29SMT.
Yeah the point is for the F-16 to have a singular downside besides the aforementioned TWS issue.
I think you grossly over estimate the electronics of first generation F16s
You probably just have a much more relaxed view on compression and enjoy it.
Do u want to do a pros/cons list for the 29SMT and the 12.7 F-16s if all they get is amraams?
What you are recommending would turn out even worse than the F-16 OCU which is currently the worst one ingame
Yeah because its 13.7
Bro you want these to be higher than 13.3. that means 13.7
No I am saying in their CURRENT proposed state, they end up on the higher end of 13.3. Suggesting buffs on top of that is silly.
What buffs? I suggested IRCCM missiles to be competitive at that BR. I comprise by removing 2x AMRAAM. You have no logic bro
9L to 9M of course. A massive upgrade.
Which is a buff.
This isn’t a compromise. If you want the 9Ms at all you would have to replace the 120s. This just buffs the F-16.
Are you in fairy land bro? Belgian F-16A with 9Ms at 13.0 isn’t that OP. Giving Italian F16 4x AMRAAMs and 9L/i-1 is the same as Belgian but with 4x AMRAAM and without ground armament.
F16 OCU is 13.7 with pretty much the same deal but better avionics and more missiles and ground armament. How is a F16A at 13.3 with 4 AMRAAM and 9L/i-1 going to be any different
yeah cause it doesnt have amraams
So it’s a far superior vehicle is what you’re saying
That should tell u why u cant be at 13.3 with minor downgrades.
I can’t argue with someone who does not make sense or follow any logic, I’m trying to explain my reasoning but you just seem to be in another world
Good night bro sleep well
You’re saying all this simply because you disagree… good luck with the figuring out how to think thing
It really isnt a “Singular Downside”
F-16 ADF Does Not Have
TWS
Datalink
Helmet Mounted Sight
IRCCM Missiles
A healthy amount of Countermeasures
A mediocre radar (not to say the APG-66 is terrible, but i believe there are way better radars that would be at or around the same BR)
The MiG-29SMT has all of these at the cost of having worse flight performance. Because of the BR, having subpar flight performance is not the end of the world for this jet. What matters is the avionics and missiles of said jet…
Yes, if the MiG-29 flew like a Il-28 at 13.3 then i would say it is a terrible jet, but it doesn’t. So, i feel as though the MiG-29SMT would be better in this meta and at 13.3 even though the ADF would have better flight performance and a better missile (that is gimped due to the aforementioned downsides of the jet).
Besides i think people grossly overstate how the R-77 is “bad”. Yes, it isn’t an AMRAAM in range but it makes up for it in close range performance.
I’m pretty sure the ADF versions that got AMRAAM used 66v3 radar with TWS.
Though highly doubt gaijin will make that change
Repeating the same thing twice essentially, and I literally in your quote said “besides the TWS issue”
Yes, same with plenty of other vehicles. This does not equal out to a major downside. (1st new thing brought up)
Yes, as I mentioned.
Not a real downside. It has enough CMs. It just doesn’t have infinite CM.
No.
Do the pros and cons list of these two aircraft, I dare you.
understatement of the 21st century
Which aren’t good on the 29SMT, correct, this is in addition to its FM problem.
Relatively speaking, it very much does fly like an IL-28 at 13.3. There is a short list of aircraft with worse FMs at this BR.