no tho like what THE F18 has AIM-9L and AIM-7M and P which is no where equal to the insanity of R27ER and R73 which have IRCCM and better FM
Is it not? I think it should win every time.
I know it i play so much in sqb with the british version but the weizelman spiti turns more and more better then my british one. I tried so many time to outplay them but they somehow turn better with rockets and bombs sometimes then me without bombs.
ARB isn’t all about one on one.
Why do you think the F-15C was such a dominant airframe for so long?
AIM-7P is good enough.
The issue are people grinding with F-5C or just buying a premium F-18 with terrible efficiency complaining that SU-27 is to strong.
In the compressed state of the game we have at our hands SU-27 and SU-33 should neither be moved down or moved up.
They are a reasonable benchmark for 13.0.
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should not be 13.0 as it fights F4Js for crying out load its undertiered as hell cause its a squadron
So what?
That is the 1.0 uptier or downtier / compression.
its a problem and 13.0 is over compressed half 13.0s should be 13.3
You would only shift the issue.
SU33 is literally the best 13.0 at its br its absolutely insane this saying its balanced is the worst rage bait ive seen
It’s a sidegrade to the 27, which is still a very strong 13.0
to strong
It is quite good but you can certainly clap it in F-18.
I clap it often enough in Mirage F.1.
SU-27 and SU-33 get clapped in 13.7 and 14.0 matches the same way a SU-27 can clap a F-4.
The issue is not SU-27 being dominant as it should be but compression as well the uptiers by 1.0 instead of 0.7.
yes because noobs play it hence why its undertiered just because you can beat doesnt make it a bad plane F14 kills a F15 does that make it a bad plane no its a bad pilot witha good pilot the SU33 can clear every 13.0 ingame rage bait used to good man
The same goes for every other plane.
No rage bait at all.
I made reasonable points as far as I can see.
Or are we uptiering other jets as well?
Which as I said would only move the problem which boils down to compression which it does mist of the time with issues in War Thunder.
20.0 for top tier again would be lovely but is it going to happen?
Do you want to simply doom Fox 1 Flankers?
With some of the most brutal top tier jets being placed at 14.0 I could see ER/ET being removed as a possible option should it be to dominant after the Br changes.
Just like I want to see ER being removed from 9.12 Fulcrums in favour of adding R-73. The real life mid 80s loadout would be for the best in both cases. MiG-29 could be adjusted in Br without issues.
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F15A
13.0-> 13.3
too strong a FM at its br compared to the mirage F1CT should not be fighting 12.0s as its insane what can F4J do against it the F15A is better FM wise and BVR wise and WVR wise and it get 9MS compared 9Gs which is crazy its a death sentance and should be raised in accordance and the aim7m deffiently to be buffed as there kinda useless
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SU27/J11
13.0->13.3
should be raised insane for its BR and stomps in a down tier and makes it extemely difficult to beat in BVR due to R27ER best FoX-2 in game FM is to good to be facing F4 phantoms and mirage F1Cs literally nothing you can do against it in a uptier other than be better than him not beatable BVR and WVR and BFM not beatable at br
i put j11 in here as there same plane
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everything stopms in a downtier
the F-16A at 12.3, the F-14A at 12.7, the J-7D at 10.7, the A-10A at 10.3 and soo on
that isnt really an argument
there are only a few planes that are outclassed by lower br ones, so that they wouldnt stomp in a downtier
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Suggestion,
Mode: RB NF
Torpedo Boat Chidori 3.7 to 3.3
Reasoning:
The vessel has sat at such a BR since it was added, had it been the pre 1944 version which kept the 3rd Year 120 mm/45 cannon the current BR would be acceptable similar to the heavier Type 1924 Torpedo Boat (Leopard, Luchs).
But even now the current starting destroyer Momi outclasses it in cannon armament while being at BR 3.3 with three of the same cannons, let alone the old starter Mustuki class destroyer which has double the cannons.
An that’s before one mentions torpedo armament, the Chidori only carries two as of currently (used to be four but were removed), Meanwhile the Momi carries four torpedoes while Mustuki class carries twelve. Sure there’s a case for momi having worse but longer range torpedoes but Mustuki class carries more powerful ones (all stats based off unmodded torpedoes).
Both Destroyers are faster than the Torpedo Boat with the Mustuki class being the fastest at 37kts (elite speeds), the Momi at 36kts (elite speeds) yet the Chidori is a pitiful 27.5kts (elite speeds).
Now the only one up the torpedo boat has over the destroyers is Light AA armament with the destroyer only carrying two light MG’s while the torpedo boat carries ten 25 mm/60 autocannons which admittedly puts up a wall of AA fire, still even below the BR the Mikura/ Hiburi class Kaibōkan Shōnan & the newer Shisaka sixteen of these autocannons at BR 3.3 & at BR 3.7 ten ten on Chidori is nothing to the twenty-five on the Matsu class light destroyer.
These are my thoughts & I feel that the Chidori should go down in BR or at least get the option to land some 25 mm autocannons for the third 120 mm being added & kept at 3.7.
Mode: ARB
Vehicle: J35XS
BR Change: 10.3 → 10.0
This plane is horrible. Don’t let the delusion of 6x aim 9p fool you. The air frame has no chance whatsoever against even lower tier like the T-2 and F-1 that runs circles around it. Not to mention the existence of F-5s that makes this plane unplayable.
The flares are unusable for pre flaring anything with more manuverablity than Aim-9Bs
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