I’m not so sure I agree with that statement for the early gen Harriers, but either way it needs to go down for sure.
All Harriers are underperforming significantly.
- Missing load of FM performance
- IR signature is a mess (even without flares, the Harrier GR1 shouldnt be defenceless against IR missiles due to VIFF tactics)
- Even the sooty exhaust is wrong
Combine with SRAAM fixes (like the fact they dont work below 400m and should work out to 2km) there is a lot of potential locked behind the Harriers at the moment.
Its really hard to place them appropriately with that in mind.
But the biggest issue is that 9.X is such a compressed mess and the Harriers are good example, with the Harrier GR1 with no CMs, Harrier GR3/AV-8C with 60CMs and AV-8A and AV-8S with 240 CMs all at the exact same BR.
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J-11A: 13.7 → 13.3
The J-11A is, quite literally, the weakest jet at 13.7. It has the worst RWR, and the worst radar at that BR which only has a single datalink slot. Aside from missile count, it’s outclassed in almost every aspect—radar, RWR, and overall performance—even by 13.3 jets like the MiG-29SMT and F-16D. There’s absolutely no reason this aircraft should be sitting at a higher BR than those.
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yea its currently technically a T12 not a T10.
I’m 99% sure the literal plane its stock skin is based on was upgraded to T12 spec from my own searching for the real thing so it’s accurate in all but name as far as that goes
I mean the trainer has the beluga head so at least will look different. and premium equals isn’t novel to WT at all
Tanks that are in 8.7, DO NOT CHANGE TO 9.0! Even more so if it’s premium! What are they going to do against 10.0? Absolutely nothing! Since most of them already have thermals and from 10.0 to 11.0 is where most battles are concentrated! ALL T-55s are not good enough to go to 9.0. Making these changes will only be killing more vehicles in the game.
Instead of making these changes that will not solve anything, they will only make things worse, change your matchmaker’s BR! Instead of a +1 and -1 MM, make one of +0.7 and -0.7 of the player’s BR. Simple, easy and practical and it will benefit ALL vehicles in the game and solve hundreds of imbalances that you are not even looking at yet! Do this and forget about these stupid spreadsheets full of makeup.
This way, a player who, for example, is going to play with vehicles from 10.0, will no longer fall against 9.0 or 11.0, but will fall at most against 9.3 and 10.7, which are levels with many vehicles!
I’ve noticed that all BRs ending in .3 and .7 have the most vehicles and they can close fights most of the time and there’s no need for a 9.7 to fall against 10.7, falling against 10.3 is great! This is a much more advantageous change than changing vehicle by vehicle like they’re doing. Be smart, please! The WoT and AW devs are already stupid enough.
YES! The current italian F-16A ADF is a fantasy version that never existed. It’s using weapons that it never had, and missing the weapons it actually used. Not to mention the avionics that comes with making the plane Amraam compatible.
YES MOVE THE TO 9.0
7.7 is extremely compressed and there needs to be some stress relief where people see their first notable cold war vehicles
Agreed except I’d move it up in air RB as well. To keep it at the same BR as the F-104S and Tornado IDS when they have rear-aspect only and only 2 9Ls respectively, would not be fair with the phantom I’m assuming have at least 4 9Ls alongside its better radar and SARH options. Alternatively and ideally tbh the Starfighters and all Tornado IDS variants should move down in RB at which point it becomes less crucial to move the Phantom up, though 11.7 might still be fitting.
It finally happened, the plane that terrorized new players(especially the ones that played bombers). Now they need to lower the altitude but increase the forward distance of dive bombers airspawns(I think that would fix the problem?) so they can’t as easily bomber hunt.
FGR2 with 9Ls would still be weaker than the Tornado ADVs at 12.0 and largely on par with the Mig-23MLD at 11.7.
Tornado IDS is 11.3 and shouldnt be a baseline for the FGR2 with 9Ls at 12.0 and the F-104S ASA has 9Ls too. Though should probably be 11.7
This is arguably the best change to a vehicle WT has ever done
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That is the only change that actually looks like its going to do anything.
i support all the changes above, but i still want to mention a few overpowered vehicles:
(germany&france)CLOVIS: GRB 8.0>8.3
(germany)Class 3(p): GRB 9.0>9.3
(sweden)SAAB 105G: GRB 8.3>8.7
(israel)magach 5: GRB 8.0>8.3
and a few vehicles too weak:
(germany)Tornado IDS ASSTA 1: ARB 11.7>11.3
(great britain)Tornado GR.1: ARB 11.7>11.3
(italy)Tornado IDS(1995): ARB 11.7>11.3
(italy)Tornado IDS MLU (RET.8): ARB 11.7>11.3
(china)m60a3 tts: GRB 9.0>8.7
there is maybe other unsuitable BRs existing, because i havent played all the vehicles in game.
Moreover,(for example)the vehicle TO-55(soviet union) is apparently too overpowered at 8.0(since it has gun stablizer) but weaker than T-55(soviet union) at 8.3. This cannot be sovled by simply changing the BR and we should consider separating the vehicles in 8.0 into two BRs.Thank you for reading.
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Can we lower the BR of the AB-205 A1? I think 7.7 is too high of a battle rating for a heli only equipped with FFAR Mighty Mouse and 2 M134s’.
Great, killing the PGZ09 from the Chinese 8.3 lineup, making them rely solely on the WZ305 with no radar, slow traverse and open top at 8.3…
All this due to the AHEAD round. I’d rather it be removed and stay 8.3 tbh, China has no 8.7 lineup.
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Fox to 8.0 will ruin the vehicle too don’t worry. there’s two changes that will do a lot
it wouldn’t be that bad if jarms didn’t bugger it up with a vibes based report
German Tonkas have superior engines, otherwise yeah they’re the exact same FM. And yes 100% the tornados are overtiered in ARB, I would even say move them all down to 11.0 because right now they’re entirely uncompetitive with very average speed and mediocre turn performance with only 2 Aim-9L. Yes they carry lots of bombs but that only makes you even slower and tbh bombing shouldn’t be the main focus of ARB balancing. In terms of air-to-air the Tornado IDS has no business facing 12.3 vehicles in an uptier. Decompression could probably solve this but we know the likelihood of that happening…
Yeah, that nerf alone made me think it should have gone down to 7.3, not moved up
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Air realistic battles
Ayit 9.3->9.7
Missiles with absurd range/turn for 9.3 alongside flares. Basically a10 jr, and even though it’s in Israel tree it isn’t even that rare to be seen in game, so there must be some statistics to back this up. Doesn’t matter if it’s slower and out turned by everyone else it’s too good at third partying from a long range.
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Can we please put the harrier gr7 at 12.0 for air at least like why is a harrier at 12.3 while the mig 23ml and mld are 11.7
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