4.3 i meant
And regarding helicopters, can we see an upgrade in armament for AB.205 on Italy? It’s armament is too weak since the FFAR rockets are not too precise and 14 rockets will hardly let you kill 1 target.
If you are a tea drinker then why do you hate the british tech tree?
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Mode: Air Realistic Battles
Aircraft: F-104S TAF (italy) techtree/premium
Change: 11.3 → 10.7
Reasoning: cant do anything when get tail by MirageF1s/2000s and Mig23’s
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You have to do one vehicle per post otherwise Gaijin may ignore it sadly
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Dude that ain’t an uptier, its just 8.7.
Its currently at 8.7 in GRB along side its other variant and no its doesn’t get apfds. It does however have an apds belt.
Vehicle: Ayit
Gamemode: Air Realistic Battles
BR Change: 9.3 → 9.7
Reason: I have played a decent amount of early jets (BR 8.7 mostly) and while I’m not the best I do believe I am an above average player. In my opinion the Ayit is the MOST undertiered plane at 9.3, moreso than any F104, Mig-19, or even Mig-21. The simple reason is that its missile kit should not be seen by 8.3 or 8.7 planes. Every other plane with missiles significantly stronger than 9-Bs (Av-8, Hunter F.58, T-2, among others) have all moved up to 9.7 or above due to those missiles, even though they don’t have countermeasures, and it doesn’t make sense to me that the Ayit doesn’t follow them.
While the Ayit is not supersonic/doesn’t have the flight performance of other 9.7s, its missile kit and existence of countermeasures should more than make up for it. After all, the subsonic hunter f.58 sat at 9.7 for a while and even got moved up. The A-10, Su-25, and alpha jet TH are subsonics and only have missiles as their main selling point (in ARB) and even they got moved up in BR purely due to their missile kit and existence of countermeasures.
I have watched many Air RB youtubers describing how the ayit is such an easy plane to play due to its extremely strong kit facing subsonic aircraft. My suggestion/recommendation is to either heavily nerf the Ayit’s missile kit into something acceptable at subsonic BRs, or move its BR up. I know for premiums gaijin has been hesitant to change brs because they are a source of income, which I understand, but this plane isn’t even a premium. It’s a plane that ruins the fun of BR 8.7, and I hope that’s able to change.
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Please consider the introduction of 14.3 for ARB
The 12.7-14.0 range could really use the decompression
Most matches in this bracket are full uptiers right now - heinously unbalanced
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Mode: Air Simulator
Aircraft: Su-27
Change: 13.3->13.0
Reasoning: The Long Scan cycles of the Radar combined with its atrocious RWR and a crippling lack of ARH missiles make this plane completely useless in the current BR brackets as it has to go up against Eurofighters, Rafales and other ARH slingers constantly. The F-15 which has much better radar and a working rwr gets to be at 13.0 in sim.
At 13.0 the Su-27 can also be a counter to the Fakour Spam that is the Wall of missiles being sent directly to any aircraft taking off.
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On most of the maps destroying bases does nothing. Destroyable fields are very rare.
They need to decompress air rb. The f-14 a and b are both basically unplayable. You can’t compete with any jets in a single up tier. The jet is only playable if you get a down tier.
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What kind of change are you hoping for?
Ratel-90 and ratel-20 should NOT move up in BR. they are good where they are. They’re horrible at acceleration, they’re massive targets, and they don’t depress well. ratel-90 should be 6.7 at most. ratel-20 should not be compared to the marder, as the marder is a mobile platform with 17 degrees of depression, making it a good rat tank. ratel-20 can’t even rat, it’s massive and slow, not to mention 20mms do not damage anyway.
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Mode: Ground Realistic Battles
Tank: Char 25t
Change: 8.0 > 7.3 (7.7)
In my view, the Char 25t possesses most of the necessary characteristics to remain at a battle rating of 8.0. Let’s compare it to other light tanks from different nations. For instance, the Object 906 also has a reload time of around 4.3 seconds, but it features powerful APHE shells with superior penetration, solid mobility, and—most importantly—a gun stabilizer.
Most light tanks at this BR level either have a stabilizer, early APFSDS rounds, or both. In this context, the Char 25t falls behind, particularly due to its lack of stabilizer and its weaker ammunition options.
Lowering its BR wouldn’t dramatically improve its performance. At 7.7 or 7.3, it would encounter heavier armored targets more frequently than at 8.0+, forcing it to rely heavily on its mobility and fast reload to stay competitive.
At lower BRs like 6.3–6.7, the Char 25t could indeed become a dominant force, but it would also be highly vulnerable to aircraft. Airstrikes are much more common and accessible at those levels, and planes tend to punish high-performing tanks quickly and efficiently.
I doubt many would agree with my perspective, but after playing over 300 battles in this vehicle, this is the picture I’ve come to. It’s worth remembering that this tank used to sit at BR 6.7—think about why it was moved up.
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All you gotta do is spawn a fighter, it really stands no chance agaisnt a spitfire or any other fighter except the Bf 109. Removing the APHE belt should be a last resort, if it is really that OP it should just get sent to 5.7.
Amx-13s shouldn’t go up. Nobody said that they were OP. It’s the tank that only relies on reload speed but keep pushing it’s BR will make its last advantage irrelevant.
I will say 6.7 is maximum.
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Vehicle: AMX M4
Gamemode: Ground Realistic
BR Change: 6.7 —> 6.7
Reason
The AMX M4 should stay at 6.7 because the shell will be terrible against anything bigger than 7.3
The gun has no APHE and while the penetration is good enough, that’s just the counterpart for not having explosive fillers.
The reload is 6.7 seconds long, which is really long for something with an autoloader so if it goes up it needs at least a faster reload rate
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Wow, the AMX-13 sure is equivalent to the M551 (76). At this point, I’m not even surprised.
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Mode: Ground RB
Vehicle: KV IB
Change: 4.0 → 4.3
Reason:
The armour on the KV IB makes it a menace to any 3.0 and most 3.3 vehicles and its gun is only bad on paper. Even against 5.3 vehicles it can still penetarte most if not all frontally and Heavy Tanks are not even spawned that much when bottom BR making consideration for when they are top BR in a match far more important for balancing than the other way around.
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