Planned Battle Rating changes for April 2025

[AverageWehraboo]

Anyone begging for SPAA to move up inside of down doesn’t play the game

[BorekD36_PL]

Very good changes but…at least 13.3 is needed for planes for ground battles. But a step in the right direction.

[karnitin75]

@karnitin75

To be honest if you use it and use terrain and your gun depression to your advantage and its mobility to scoot around and not be super aggressive its really good. You have to use it to the same standards as other glass-cannons don’t be seen and you will do fine. Its a tank destroyer and you use it to at distance pick off tanks behind cover

see this comment

[PercussionCap]

Mode: Air Realistic Battles

Aircraft: P-51D-5 (USA)

4.0 → 3.7

Worse than P-51C-10 in every way, with very poor p/w ratio holding it back.

[MokaMoki]

Mode: Ground Battles

Vehicle: Pantsir

Change: Remove/Disable/Soft lock missile performance to other SPAA.

Reasoning: Best performing SPAA with no equal within War Thunder. Has existed as such since its introduction in 2023.

[adamjalmuzny]

im well aware, i have played both sturer emil and ikv 103 and know how to use their strenghts, it just doesnt make sense for ikv 103 to move up bcs its a glass cannon and the heat barely changes anything

[karnitin75]

see dis comment

@karnitin75

To be honest if you use it and use terrain and your gun depression to your advantage and its mobility to scoot around and not be super aggressive its really good. You have to use it to the same standards as other glass-cannons don’t be seen and you will do fine. Its a tank destroyer and you use it to at distance pick off tanks behind cover

[Morvran]

@Smin1080p_WT

Any comment on why we have another BR change with no sim changes, especially new sim brackets that allow for the introduction of 12.3 and 13.3 brackets?

[AspectOfTheRAGE]

So Type 81(C) as an IR-SAM based SPAA gets moved up to 11.7 while SU-39 and KA-50 (which literally has no counterplay at its own or lower br, except for one chinese SPAA…) get to stay at 11.3?
What exactly is the reasoning here? Are Ka-50 stats still too low because of first-spawn inting?

[Takasaki_Yu_NJGK]

@Takasaki_Yu_NJGK

Ground RB

M60A3 TTS(China) add M833 or DM63 round and maintain its current BR
Reason: Worse armor and firepower, but at the same BR: Chinese M60A3TTS should be buffed! - #9 by Futanari_Lover In this previous article I explained its current situation. It has worse firepower and protection, but it still shares the same br with the US M60A3. The current operator purchased and produced its own M833 and DM63 round.

T-64A(1971) add AA MG mount, add smoke grenade, add laser rangefinder, which makes it a T-64A(1981), or simply lower it to 9.0BR
Reason: This is the best example of Gaijin’s broken balance system. Its mobility, firepower and protection are all worse than the T-72A/T-72M1 in the same 9.3BR. The lack of laser rangefinder and AA MG is fatal to its performance.

T-72B from 10.3 to 10.0 and remove 9M119, change NVD from 1K13 to TPN-3 which makes it a T-72B1(1985)
Reason: Bad maneuverability, slow firing rate, no thermal device and commander fire control make it suffer from more mobile opponents, for example Leopard 2 which it often meets in uptier battle

T-72B(1989) from 10.3 to 10.7 and add 3BM60, change its name to T-72BA(Kontakt-5)
Reason: It really needs something to counter its common opponent vehicles. Slow vehicle speed and traverse rate and reload rate put it at disadvantage in battles.

T-80B from 10.7 to 10.3 and remove TVD
Reason: Only one prototype T-80B has been equipped with thermal device and it has no Kontakt-1 ERA. Currently T-80B is not performing well against Leopard 2 and Abrams, and its armour and survivability in uptier battle which often happens is poor.

T-80UE-1 from 11.7 to 12.0 and add 3BM60
Reason: It performs much better than the original T-80U and T-80UK. It has better traverse rate, better ATGM and better Thermal sight. In reality this upgrade allows it to use the 3BM60 APFSDS round.

T-80U from 11.7 to 11.3 and remove TVD (which is still inferior to T-80UM2 at the same BR)
Reason: The serial production model of T-80U in Russian army does not use any tvd sight.

Ground Realistic Battles

For the battle rating changes in the current sheet
Please just keep the Finnish T-55M, T-55AM-1/T-55AMD-1, T-62 and Obj.435 at 8.7. None of them fits the standards of 9.0BR, including armour, mobility and firepower. It is a great joke that T-62 and T-62M-1 are both 9.0BR vehicles.

ZSD63/PG87 keep it at 5.3, and lower it to 5.0 if necessary.
Why should you lift the br of a SPAA that already has bad ammo belt capacity and mobility?

VT-5 keep it at 10.7, or give it DTC-02-105 (phase III APFSDS)

Sabra Mk1 lift it further to 10.3
You have created a monster with a 12.0BR APFSDS round and good protection and put it at 9.7 for pretty long time. And you are still trying to keep it at 10.0 to ruin the game experience of lower br players.

[Armen_Lozone]

Bad take.
The extra 4 r-60Ms are suspicious to say the least.
I javent seen them listed in the manual.
And the flight model is sucky at best especially after the nerf

[karnitin75]

Main reason is that it creates a better BR-lineup for sweden at 5.0-6.0 and it would increase its rewards

[RunaDacino]

Mode: Air Simulator

Aircraft: P-39N-0

3.0 → 3.7

Aircraft with a short nose that provides superior dogfight visibility for high-aspect shots while also possessing excellent low-altitude performance (0-4km band - where most sim dogfights occur) giving it near-untouchable speeds at its current BR without sacrificing agility. In fact, it possesses superior agility due to less drag and mass to the presently 3.7 P-63A5 - giving it better energy retention all around.

It is held back from its true potential by its low ammo count and bad ballistics (slow muzzle velocity), but these do not justify its dominance against present peer aircraft. It also struggles with low-speed acceleration due to propeller efficiency shortfalls, but in air simulator battles I do not feel this to be as significant of a drawback in air RB as you have time and space to get to speed and once at speed, it is not difficult to maintain it.

[SlovakSpotter]

Vehicle: ikv-91-105
Change: 9.0->8.7

Reason:
The ikv has one of the worst speed performances for a light tank at a BR of 8.7 already.
Moving it up to 9.0 will cause it to meet more advanced vehicles WAY more often than before such as the BMD-4/M which has better speed, mobility, armament and also generation 3 thermals or for example Leopard 1A5s way more, and they have a very strong dart at their designated BR + some versions with thermals too, making the ikv easier to spot.
Not to mention this vehicle’s armor can be penetrated by a .50 cal at point blank.

[adamjalmuzny]

noone stops you from uptiering it yourself, but its still not a very capable vehicle with its heat to warrant its increase in br

[Armen_Lozone]

Ig i can get behind that

[Nostalgistic]

Time to turn my attention to boats/ships in naval arcade battles. Starting with big bullies in the low-tier naval battles:

Mode: Naval Arcade Battles

Ship: HMS Liscomb

Change: 2.0 → 2.3

Reasoning: With the naval aiming system changes in arcade battles making it function more like an ‘aimbot,’ this vessel should receive a BR increase. It demonstrates strong survivability and can shred other patrol boats with ease.

[Nostalgistic]

Mode: Naval Arcade & Realistic Battles

Ship: HMCS Brantford (Flower-class corvette)

Change: 2.3 → 3.0

Reasoning: With the naval aiming system changes in arcade battles making it function more like an ‘aimbot,’ this vessel should receive a BR increase. It demonstrates strong survivability and can shred other patrol boats with ease. Currently overperforming, it becomes nearly unstoppable when fielded by a coordinated four-player squad.

[Nostalgistic]

Mode: Naval Arcade & Realistic Battles

Ship: Aconit (Flower-class corvette)

Change: 2.3 → 3.0

Reasoning: With the naval aiming system changes in arcade battles making it function more like an ‘aimbot,’ this vessel should receive a BR increase. Like HMCS Brantford, it demonstrates strong survivability and can shred other patrol boats with ease. Currently overperforming, it becomes nearly unstoppable when fielded by a coordinated four-player squad.

[Morvran]

If 6x R-60M is wrong then it should be removed and balanced accordingly.

But was trying to play the Sea harrier FRS1e the other day and was just constantly geting BnZed by these and theyd just spam R-60Ms at you. Nothing I could do. Any subsonic at or around that BR is just a free kill for them