Mystere IVA (all)
ARB
8.7->8.3
reason: its worse than the sabres and migs, no energy retention, no speed, the guns are nice but you cant really use them
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Mystere B2 (all exept sa’ar)
ARB
9.0 → 8.7
same as before, the aircraft is very mediocre, bad engine, bad energy retention, its a bad pack at 9.0
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Vehicle: VT5
BR: Stay 11.0
Other changes: Fix basic armor protection, add BTA4 or DTC02-105
Since there is no evidence to prove the level of VT5 protection, let’s look for a reference in the game, such as the TAM2IP, which weighs 33 tons. TAM2IP actually added a circle of composite armor skirts around it, which was 3 tons heavier than the original TAM. However, they achieved hull side KE 40mm, turret side KE 45mm, LFP to UFP KE 40-100MM, and turret front KE 100-300MM. VT5 does not have any additional armor on hull sides. instead of it, VT5 can reach 33 tons because it actual install NERA on turret, so the turret front protection should far better than TAM2IP, at least can’t be pened by 100mm BR412D.
Looking for a slightly heavier reference, the Super AMX30 weighs 36 tons and does not have any NERA. It can withstand LFP KE 100MM, UFP KE 200MM, turret front KE 50-100MM, hull side KE 45MM, hull side bottom KE 100MM, and Hull rear KE 30MM. Where else can a tank of this weight be penetrated by 12.7 hits?
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Oh but why ebr1954 is still in 6.7?
I think it’s better than amx13.
Mode: Realistic Battles.
Vehicle: Kugelblitz
Change: 7.0 → 6.7
Reasoning : Germany 6.7 dont’t have powerful SPAA & air force, they need a powerful spaa to line up, kugel after several version nerfed, it doesn’t worth at 7.0
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Uhh… because it has great mobility (full speed forward and reverse), ERA making it hard to kill with HEAT, an APS making most ATGMs around this BR useless, laser rangefinder, thermals, and a dart better than DM23 105…
People really overvalue stabilizers, they only prevent you from rushing around corners and such. Sniping and flanking still work great.
And now it’s going to be a lower BR than the AM-1 and AMD-1 which is kind of insane. It was already a lot better.
I think Q5L should not go to10.0 BR，it is not better than mig21s.VT 5 go to 11.0 should add Nera or better apfsds.The amx 40 in 10.0 is a joker,leopard is better than it，except NVD
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It’s only Generation 1 anyway so the quality is bad.
In my opinion Gen 1 thermals are so useless I never use them. They really aren’t justification for a higher/lower BR in and of themselves.
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mirage 4000 Land warfare BR should go 12.0, because there is no fox 3. There is no thermal imaging pod, which is difficult to capture the enemy, and there is no full direction pd. GG Air combat BR should go 12.7, because there is no good radar, only 8 short hands FOX2
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true,leopard 2k is better than amx40 more
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Why is XM800T going to 8.3 first 7.7 to 8.0 now this. 💀
I can’t recall what F-IT rounds are off the top of my head.
Secondly, I have the Persian F-14, even I thought it should go up in br, as it was too low at 12.3 but not the best at 12.7
Additionally, the Bi, is 6.7 in grb, arb, and I believe 6.3 in sim ab.
Wow I’m 15/4 a 3.15 kd? Shocker most of those are from CAS planes in grb. Yes things like lancasters, B-25J, etc.
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You still refuse to test the KV-1es armor with me for your absurd claim.
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The F15E is still very potent. I do love me some broken af aim-9m
I’m going to drop arguing you here at this point, because its obvious you’re not a capable enough to actually argue about why it should not have its BR raised
So I’m going to summarize:
- You think the guns and ammo belt are bad
- You don’t know how to manage the rocket fuel right so you think it’s bad.
- You don’t even know what belts to use with it.
- You barely play ARB, and you’re arguing about the BR of it in ARB.
- You think just because I don’t have it, I can’t get a say for it to have its BR
raised. - You think it has bad survivality — even though it can pull infinite energy out of thin air and put any prop/early jet in a death spiral.
- Your KD/R is mostly in GRB and SRB of all things… when the topic im discussing it about is its BR in ARB? (Granted I was the one that brought up KDR in the first place.)
I’m going to do what I should’ve done a long time ago and turn the other cheek, It really seems more evident that you just don’t know what you’re talking about. Have a great day.
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13.0, 12.3 is not enough for that thing.
It’s overpowered. If equals existed for every other nation, and I do mean every damned one, it would be fine, but with how ridiculously overpowered it is compared to the others it needs to be moved up. The problem with it is not that it’s good at protecting ground targets, it’s that it’s too good at protecting it’s own team’s CAS. The only counter any non-Russian team has to Russian team’s CAS is to take a fighter with air-to-air up to kill them, because RU ATGMs outrange all other nations SPAA, that is not possible with the Pantsir around.
Whoever is on Russia’s team gets to happily loiter just outside of the other team’s SPAA range (10-12km) and spam air-to-ground missiles while the Pantsir puts up a 20km no-fly-zone for the other team. That is not ok.
Until other nations have equivalent systems, the Pantsir shouldn’t even be able to be put in a match against AA other than itself in matches where Russia is on both teams.
Mode: Air Realistic
Vehicle: Kfir C.2
Change: 11.7 to 11.3
Reasoning: While functionally the same to the Kfir Canard in every way from engine power to flight performance the C.2 is a whole 0.7 BR higher than it when it shouldn’t be, two python 3s cannot justify its current BR where it consistently faces enemies with PD radars and decent performing missiles on top of carrying far more than you in a BR range where how many missiles you can sling makes far more of an impact over how well you can engage with guns, assuming you avoid the sheer amount of sparrows and R-27s thrown at you while your only defence is 2 pythons, with it at 11.3 puts it among similar jets where you utilize your IR missiles alongside your guns rather than being lumped in with SARH slingers.
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Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd I saw a T34 shoot a APCBC up my ass in a Tiger H1. I hate T34s. Both Russian and Americanese.
Hello All, friendly reminder to keep it civil, keep it on topic, take personal quarrels to DMs, and respect other forum members.
Thanks.
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Yes, all Kfirs until the C.10 use the ELTA EL/M-2001B where it functions as a range finder for when you’re within visual range, C.10 gets upgraded to EL/M-2032 PD radar however we have the Kfir C.10 block 60 which uses an AESA radar so the Kfir Canard radar sees better use in sim, does nothing in air rb though.
Mode:Ground Realistic Battle
Vehicle:strv122A/B/B+ LeopardA7V/A7HU T90M
BR:12.0→12.3
Reasoning:These vehicles are more powerful than the older top tier vehicles(with good armer protection,survivability and good Armament(T90M has top armer protection and top survivability)) like L2A6/M1A2/T80BVM/Challenger2/Type10/ZTZ99A/Leclerc/Ariete,etc.The top tier MBTs are not balanced .
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