Agreed except I’d move it up in air RB as well. To keep it at the same BR as the F-104S and Tornado IDS when they have rear-aspect only and only 2 9Ls respectively, would not be fair with the phantom I’m assuming have at least 4 9Ls alongside its better radar and SARH options. Alternatively and ideally tbh the Starfighters and all Tornado IDS variants should move down in RB at which point it becomes less crucial to move the Phantom up, though 11.7 might still be fitting.
It finally happened, the plane that terrorized new players(especially the ones that played bombers). Now they need to lower the altitude but increase the forward distance of dive bombers airspawns(I think that would fix the problem?) so they can’t as easily bomber hunt.
FGR2 with 9Ls would still be weaker than the Tornado ADVs at 12.0 and largely on par with the Mig-23MLD at 11.7.
Tornado IDS is 11.3 and shouldnt be a baseline for the FGR2 with 9Ls at 12.0 and the F-104S ASA has 9Ls too. Though should probably be 11.7
This is arguably the best change to a vehicle WT has ever done
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That is the only change that actually looks like its going to do anything.
i support all the changes above, but i still want to mention a few overpowered vehicles:
(germany&france)CLOVIS: GRB 8.0>8.3
(germany)Class 3(p): GRB 9.0>9.3
(sweden)SAAB 105G: GRB 8.3>8.7
(israel)magach 5: GRB 8.0>8.3
and a few vehicles too weak:
(germany)Tornado IDS ASSTA 1: ARB 11.7>11.3
(great britain)Tornado GR.1: ARB 11.7>11.3
(italy)Tornado IDS(1995): ARB 11.7>11.3
(italy)Tornado IDS MLU (RET.8): ARB 11.7>11.3
(china)m60a3 tts: GRB 9.0>8.7
there is maybe other unsuitable BRs existing, because i havent played all the vehicles in game.
Moreover,(for example)the vehicle TO-55(soviet union) is apparently too overpowered at 8.0(since it has gun stablizer) but weaker than T-55(soviet union) at 8.3. This cannot be sovled by simply changing the BR and we should consider separating the vehicles in 8.0 into two BRs.Thank you for reading.
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Can we lower the BR of the AB-205 A1? I think 7.7 is too high of a battle rating for a heli only equipped with FFAR Mighty Mouse and 2 M134s’.
Great, killing the PGZ09 from the Chinese 8.3 lineup, making them rely solely on the WZ305 with no radar, slow traverse and open top at 8.3…
All this due to the AHEAD round. I’d rather it be removed and stay 8.3 tbh, China has no 8.7 lineup.
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Fox to 8.0 will ruin the vehicle too don’t worry. there’s two changes that will do a lot
it wouldn’t be that bad if jarms didn’t bugger it up with a vibes based report
German Tonkas have superior engines, otherwise yeah they’re the exact same FM. And yes 100% the tornados are overtiered in ARB, I would even say move them all down to 11.0 because right now they’re entirely uncompetitive with very average speed and mediocre turn performance with only 2 Aim-9L. Yes they carry lots of bombs but that only makes you even slower and tbh bombing shouldn’t be the main focus of ARB balancing. In terms of air-to-air the Tornado IDS has no business facing 12.3 vehicles in an uptier. Decompression could probably solve this but we know the likelihood of that happening…
Yeah, that nerf alone made me think it should have gone down to 7.3, not moved up
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Air realistic battles
Ayit 9.3->9.7
Missiles with absurd range/turn for 9.3 alongside flares. Basically a10 jr, and even though it’s in Israel tree it isn’t even that rare to be seen in game, so there must be some statistics to back this up. Doesn’t matter if it’s slower and out turned by everyone else it’s too good at third partying from a long range.
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Can we please put the harrier gr7 at 12.0 for air at least like why is a harrier at 12.3 while the mig 23ml and mld are 11.7
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If its to go up then it should be Malawi spec with an electronic traverse to get its old 60deg/s back
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It’s broken as it is. it’s better than the gepard in almost every way at the same BR.
They don’t have stabilization, so let’s move all 8.3s up?
T-55A is not even close to being the best 8.3 and you want to move it up, interesting.
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Remove AHEAD leave it at 8.3, it was at the same BR with no issues for ages. Again now the 8.3 lineup relies on a Zeus with proxy rounds…
Gepard is faster with a lil bit more gun depression.
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Increase max BR for Air AB, Air RB & Air SB
3 fighter aircraft to 14.3
- F-16C Block 40 Barak
AIM-9M replace with Python 4, lose AIM-120A & Derby
- F-16D Block 40 Barak
Python 4 instead AIM-9M but remove AIM-7M and Derby
- JAS 39 Gripen C (SAAF)
AIM-9M replace with AIM-2000, lose R-Darter
12 fighter aircraft up to 14.7
- F-15C
AIM-9M & AIM-120A replace with AIM-9X (Blk 1) & AIM-120C-5
- F-15E
AIM-120C-5 to replace AIM-120B and get AIM-120C-7
- F-16C Block 50
AIM-120C-5 & AIM-120C-7 instead AIM-7M & AIM-120A
- F/A-18C late
Add AIM-120C-7, but AIM-120B replace with AIM-120C-5 or AIM-120C-6
- EF-2000 (T2 Blk 10)
Give AIM-120C-5, AIM-9L replace with AIM-2000 (analog)
- F-2000A (T2 Blk 10)
AIM-2000 (analog) to replace AIM-9M and add AIM-120C-5
- Gripen C (RTAF)
AIM-9L & AIM-120B replace with AIM-2000 (analog) & AIM-120C-5
- JAS 39 C EBS HU
AIM-120A replace with AIM-120C-5 & AIM-120C-7
- Su-30SM
Change lock range 16 → 24 km for R-77-1, and receive R-74M
- F-15I Ra’am
AIM-120C-5 instead AIM-120B, Python 4 to replace AIM-9L
- F-16AM MLU
AIM-9L replace with AIM-9X (Blk 1)
- Rafale C F3-R
MICA IR instead magic 2
I don’t know battle rating for ground RB & SB to 12.3 or stay 12.0 if gajin add AGM-114L Hellfire LongBow on AH-64D (US Army) sometime this year
Mode: Simulator Battles
Vehicle: F-16A ADF
BR Change: 13.0 → 12.7
Reasoning:
This aircraft has only two SARH missiles, and AIM-9L’s (not M’s). This variant of the viper is in no way comparable to F3 slingers at 13.0 like the Kfir C.10, JA37DI, F-4F KWS LV, and AV-8B Plus. Heck, armament wise, it’s closer to the F/A-18A.
Yes, I’m referring to the IDS not the ADV and 104S not ASA, as those are much more capable in A2A ordinance. The IDS might not be an ideal baseline for the FGR2 as it’s an attacker, but the 104S and S TAF are both fighters that should be balanced accordingly, and both are already outshined by almost every other fighter at their BR, let alone if the FGR2 had Aim-9Ls to boot. I think decompression would obviously help this whole BR range but one can only wish lol