F-100s, hell no, the rest is good, F-100s are not at all comparable to the Venom, Scimitar or the Hunter F.1 they are fine where they are, and the F-100 for france only has missiles different, and you also seem to forget the F-100A and the F-100F but they shouls stay at 9.3 or even go up
Honestly bro what is it with Gaijin an WW2 US nerfing, first the M4A1(76) got moved to 5.0 removing a good (albeit small) 4.7 lineup to counter USSR Heavies and any potential uptier to 5.7 and now they move the Hellcats up like cmon the Super Hellcat needs HEAT-FS or smth if its getting moved up
USSR heavies have been uptiered too to compensate. For example, the KV-1 (ZiS-5) went from 4.3 to 4.7.
The KV-85 also went from 4.7 to 5.0.
The KV-1C (a long while ago) was 4.7, and now is 5.0.
Can’t speak for ground, but the Air RB changes are BAD.
The stats may say that aircraft like the F-86A-5 or MiG-15 are doing poorly, but decreasing them In BR is a bad idea. The situation will be similar to a few years ago with WW2 jets like the 262A and Meteor 3 being clubbed by transonic jets like the F-86, something they demonstrably not able to deal with. The same situation is (already) happening up a little higher, where supersonic, missile armed jets like the 9.3 F-104’s, the Lightning and the MiG-19 are clubbing the 8.0-9.0 post war subsonic jets like the F9F’s.
The source of the problem (IMO) is the spread of high performance all-aspect missiles on low performance airframes such as the A10, Su-25, AMX and the new Buccaneer. These aircraft being under-tiered is means they are able to use their weapons to club the aforementioned 9.3’s. As these 9.3 aircraft are without flares, they have no counter to this even if played well, and are pushed down in BR. They in turn, push down the transonic aircraft underneath them, etc. etc…
One major problem with the current situation is that there is a point in the matchmaker (currently somewhere between 9.0 and 10.0) where the factor that determines an aircraft’s relative performance to other aircraft stops being its flight performance (Top speed, acceleration, turn rate etc) and becomes the performance of its weapons and defensive systems (Flares/Chaff, Missile performance, radar performance, RWR performance).
The 10.0 and 10.3 aircraft with all aspect missiles like the A10 and Su-25 have good RWRs, ample countermeasures and good missiles for self defense. Increasing their BR to 11.0 for example would not have a highly negative effect on their performance as they would not be facing any new and uncounterable threat (they already face IRCCM threats like the Magic 2, and radar missiles like the R27ER) as their equipment should be adequate to deal with it. All that would change is that they would face aircraft with higher performance margin over them, and the aircraft they currently face already have a significant margin over them. At this level, the margin is far less of a concern. These types of aircraft are also almost exclusively ground attack aircraft, and they should NOT be balanced such that they are competitive against dedicated fighters at their own tier.
Below 9.3 however, the main thing that determines a plane’s competitiveness is this flight performance. As such, this ‘compressing down’ effect from the 10.0 attackers will have a significantly negative impact on them. To take one example, under the proposed changes, the F-86A-5 (8.0) can fight the Spitfire Mk24 (7.0) in a downtier. I understand that I have chosen the most extreme example here, but I cannot see any argument for this being a remotely sensible matchup.
I suggest that the solution to this would be to put all the all-aspect armed aircraft up to 11.0, therefore removing the need to compress the tiers below. In support of this suggestion, I would give the example of the new Jaguar IS event aircraft in the UK tree. This is (relatively) low performance attack airframe, with a good RWR, adequate countermeasure (though LESS than the A10 and Su-25), and 2 x Magic 2s. IMO this aircraft is ballanced at 11.0, as its defensive systems are adequate, and the performance of its Magic 2s allows it to hold its own, despite the low performance of the airframe. The same airframe is available at 9.7 without flares or all aspect weapons, highlighting the difference that these systems make.
TLDR: I support the AMX going up to 10.7, but most of the other changes are negative. The 10.0 & 10.3 all-aspect slingers need to go up to 11.0, or the 7.0-10.0 compression problem is only going to continue to get worse.
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And F-15A being 12.3 still is just a straight gaijin oversight bro like I don’t play top tier air unless I’m grinding now but holy hell is it a good plane
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F-15J is slightly better and it’s also at 12.3 xD
Ah I never really noticed that, maybe I should try to bring the T14 to 5.0 then because those KV-1 players never knew how to kill me, thanks for the correction
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The T1E1 also went up to 5.3, and it’s justified for how broken it was.
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where’s the problem since no one play them anyway. if they become too op, they’ll attract and then get balanced by their statisrics. On the other hand, vehicles so bad they are never played or only by very good players will get a lower br allowing them to be at a more suitable br (french vehicles are the perfect example). That would also solve the problem of powerful vehicle sitting at way too low br because too much bad players uses them, mainly german and russian vehicles. The objective isn’t to replace the current br balancing, it would be to negate some of its shortcomings.
Radkampfwagen is superior in a lot of situations, it has characteristics more favourable to the meta.
Leopard 1 turrets are evil infamous bounce machines and troll armour.
Good gun depression.
Very fast.
DM33.
Generous ready rack.
Large empty vehicle and nice low ammo racks.
No fuel tank in the front to explode.
Very good sniper optics.
Radkampfwagen is a carry machine compared to 2S38 which is more like an AA gun than anything else.
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yep and the fact they could’ve added the C to where both the F-15C and J could get HMD and be 12.7 from the get go is so sad
I wrote it so often too, but noone cares about it.
They only care about THEIR planes.
Too true.
I play all nations…it’s clear many don’t.
I personally don’t want to just run out an OP plane and curbstomp. I also enjoy playing off-META planes, but those planes should still have some chance of succeeding. An F3D, MiG-9, or Su-9 is going to have 0 chance against an F-86F or MiG-17.
At worst, this gives all Sabres and MiG-15/17s the opportunity to continually curb stomp. At best, you’ll end up in perpetual stalemates. I had a recent match in the Venom where an F-104 and I were the last men standing. We couldn’t do anything to each other until one team won on tickets. That’s exactly what will happen with F-86A vs. Spit Mk.24.
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I would say 10.0 for air seeing that it is fat and slow and have 4x9L which to me isn’t that hard to kill considering most jet have flare or rocket pods at that br, for grb maybe 9.7 seeing that they are so slow (with or without 12k lb of bomb) most of the time they got shot down by mg fires and spaa without doing much and not to mention it being juicy target for any air superiority fighters.
This is only my options tho and other maybe different.
On the other hand, the 2S38 is multipurpose and so it can deal with anything relatively well, unlike the radkampfwagen.
100% supersonics like the F-104 need to be moved up in BR I regularly bring my friend who just got one to 10.3 and even 11.7 sometimes and it performs well, 9.7 would be perfect for planes similar to it, all in all they need to move things up not down
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So 9.0s seeing the A-10 Late in Air RB is not a problem in your opinion?
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AGM-65s are some of the most broken things I’ve used, I used A-10 in GRB to grind F-111A for a reason,its not fair when most SPAA you face at that BR are IR, now I shall go cry as I realize I spammed CAS that day
Regarding the proposed drop in BR for all F-86s, MiG-15s, and MiG-17 variants…
One consequence that is not being mentioned enough is the effect to other nations’ Rank V jets.
Moving the Sabres & MiGs down will now cause planes like the G.91s, Vampires, Swifts, Venom, J 29s, Hunter F1, Scimitar, SAAB 105, Ouragans, Mysteres, La-15, Yak-23, and Yak-30 to face even more asymmetrical matchups and disadvantages.
Yes, uptiers are tough in any Rank V-VI plane, but now all nations that don’t rely on F-86s or MiG-15/17s at Rank V will be at even more of a disadvantage when they fight above their BR since they will be facing fewer of their ‘peers.’
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Well if that 9.0 have half the brain and actually knows how to counter 9Ls and the basic of jet combat, it could go 10.3 or 10.7 but that would mean free food for supersonic,
Did you mean both F-104A & C to 9.7?
I think that’s reasonable. Yeah, uptiers to 10.7 suck, but it’s really a joke seal clubbing at 8.3 in a Mach 2 jet.
Still think F-104C should have the option for 2 extra AIM-9Bs. It’s well documented from the Vietnam era.
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