Those are good, but not 7.0 good. If those go to 7.0, every other 6.7 (Like the Tiger II H needs to up too.
I’d rather have it get a better round like M774 than go down.
7.7 would be better, but I wouldn’t complain about them going even lower.
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My suggestions:
F-16A “Netz” 12.3 → 12.0
I still have no idea what it is still doing at 12.3. Netz doesn’t have any kind of BVR, no HMD/HMS, only 60 countermeasures, no IRCCM missiles, just 6x Python-3 that are super easy to flare.
Let’s compare it with another 12.3 aircraft - F-15A/J. Obviously F-15 has strong BVR capabilities, no HMD/HMS either, but it has 200 countermeasures and IRCCM missiles such as AIM-9M/AAM-3.
And still, even without comparing it to F-15, Netz is just a F-16A Block 10 with Python-3, a 40G non-IRCCM missile, which behaves much like AIM-9L with a little bit more range and speed, but it is still very easy to flare, and on full uptiers (12.7) it’s almost impossible to hit anything with it.
M1A2 SEP, M1A2 SEPv2 - implementation of M829A3 round.
US top tier is still at a horrible state. Bad players, unforgivable tanks make for 38% winrate USA has at top tier. While both Russia and Germany got spall liners on their top tanks (T-90M, 2A7V), which makes these tanks very hard to kill, Abrams sits behind with a huge turret ring weakspot, no hull armor and no spall liner.
Implementation of M829A3 round would hopefully make it more effective and easy to use in point blank scenarios, where with Abrams you have to precisely aim for small 2A7V/T-90M weakspots, and these two can just shoot without aiming and still heavily damaging/destroying Abrams.
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I hope gaijin decrease BR to 6.7 for Spitfire F Mk.24 this month like 3 or 4 years ago
This gaijin should be considered extend max BR to 12.0 or 12.3 for main battle tank top tier before add new APFSDS
Uh-huh, In fact F-16A Block 10 Netz very good turn fight 1 vs 1 tactic but can’t compare another 12.3 fighter aircraft with IRCCM IR AAM & MRAAM, I might agree F-16A Netz down to 12.0 like 2 years ago
I say, we raise the top BR for ground, air and naval, without adding any new vehicles
You know
Decompression
13.7 new top tier air
13.0 new top tier ground
8.3 new top tier naval
That way, everything could be spread out, instead of situations like this, where a MiG-15 can face Me-262s, or have to face F-100’s
Idk
Maybe having massive capability differences with only a 1.7 br difference is a massive flaw in how the game is played?
We need decompression
REAL decompression
Not decompressing slightly after compressing it again after adding a new aircraft or tank to top tier that has better capabilities
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I’d be all for reducing it’s LGB count and keeping it at 10.3, but they’re not going to do that bc of this weird “historical” fetish.
It technically has a ground lineup at 10.7, by taking your 10.3 lineup and putting the KF41 in it. it’s not ideal, but there isn’t a huge difference in matches of 10.3 and 10.7 lineups anyway. you usually end up in 11.0 matches. When playing 10.7 china, it’s very rare to go up to 11.7, as those are usually sucked up into 12.0-12.3 plane ranges. after all, there can only be 4 top tier players per team, and alot of people play 11.7.
I don’t have many complaints with the new Br’s but i still have some.
The Fox
I don’t think it’s fair to put the fox up to 7.7 a jump of 2 BR’s. The power of the fox is that it is fast/mobile and it has a decent gun. I get that the vehicle is good but I don’t think it’s that good. I think a Br of 7.3 is fair enough.
The 2S38
I am sad to see that the 2S38 slipped by the Br changes again. Its by far the most powerful vehicle and 10.0 it’s capabilities are far too powerful for the Br. It’s decent mobility, unmanned turret, amazing gun with ammunition for every situation and lock on capability make it a force to be reckoned with. Getting a k/d of 2 or higher is not a difficult task. It’s fine for 10.7 or at least 10.3.
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The 20pndr cents were 6.7 before APDS lol
And the 20pndr is an exceptional gun if you use it decently.
Also, if you were to read just half a sentence longer, you’d see that I do not wish for the Caernavorn to go up, nor the Cent Mk 3 for that matter. However, the Mk 5/1 which is a direct upgrade of the Mk 3 should definitely, as should the undertiered 4202.
Shell shatter is a skill issue from poor aim. Aim at less complex geometries and it will never happen. It also happens less often than you think - that’s just basic negativity bias.
I wasn’t even saying anything about the BR change. I just find the argument “X must have a hard counter” weird because it isn’t fun to play when something hard counters you, not having a chance to beat it at a vaguely similar skill level.
In an optimal game state there wouldn’t be any hard counters in the BR range, just things that are equal, or have an advantage/disadvantage in specific situations, but not something that is better at everything.
What awful suggestions. I wonder what nation you could possibly main…
True, i dont know much about air balance. I’d just guess it gets stomped in an uptier and that’s why it goes down, which is yet again a false response from gaijin.
They should honestly increase the max BR with every BR change update until everything is decompressed. I understand if they don’t wanna go to 14+ in one update but they should at least go one step higher every BR change update…
horrible, ruins so many lineups, and makes early jets even worse. What the hell.
Yes you believe, because you don’t fly sim. Flares don’t mean anything there. 12 high caliber flares are more than enough. Even 6 would be enough for the rare occasion where you have a chance to use them. There should be no all aspect missiles at 10.3 sim except maybe planes with abysmal flight performance.
Snail doesn’t disagree. This is exactly the reason why Su-17M3 is at 10.7. I just don’t want them to make the mistake of forgetting to adjust the BR of this better aircraft.
The whole lowering of 8.7 planes is a mess to me. Getting them lower would make early jets really hard to play.
The whole point is the all aspects missiles around 10.0:
- A-10, AMX and Su25 slinger gen 3 without flares (ie mirage 5, 3C, F100, F8, Mig 19, …)
- gen 3 without flares get lowered and enjoy to slinger the 8.7 planes (ie F-86, Mystère, Mig 15 and 17, G91, …)
- 8.7 will get lowered to 8.3 and will walk on early jets
- early jets will get lower and crush late props…
- and so on
To kill this circle of crushing older planes, just move up the all aspects 10.x planes and accept their air RB stats are bad. They were not meant for aerial fight anyway. Give them airspawn again to compensate in air RB by letting them do things like engaging ground targets, bomb bases or get all aspects kills against unsuspecting ennemies. Get back to older BR’s for the gen 3 and everybody will enjoy the game again.
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Thanks, I hate the air changes. All of these jets are being bullied thanks to the horrible undertiered planes in 9.3/7. The mig 19, mig 21s, ariete, F104. All of them should be going up instead of putting these planes lower so they can terrorize 7.0 and 7.3 the same way they’re being bullied right now. I mean what is a mk 24 spitfire supposed to do against a mig 15 or F 84 A5? What about the early me 262s? If you are trying to “decompress” (move the compression lower) Why are things like the Javelin, Venom FB.4, Swift F7, and Hunter all staying where they are now?
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R2Y2 variants, all forgotten in a corner crying as the Sabres and MiG-15s are lowered to the same BR as them:
So Italy is losing its only ground RB CAS for its 10.3 lineup?
Can we please get the some anti air at 10.3 then? The Sidam don’t cut it when a A-6 can just sit miles above and bomb you in spawn.
I said no such thing. I said the 17 pounder’s penetration is roughly equivalent, which it is.
The Panzer IV H has upgraded frontal armour due to better placed and more add-on tracks, especially on the turret which is of course a weak spot. Plus the minor benefit of the commander MG for use against aircraft. It is absolutely deserving of 4.3. The G could be 4.0 but I don’t see that as being a necessary change, largely from a lineup perspective. Also, you seem to have forgotten that the M4A1 (76) is 5.0, so .7 above 4.3.
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according to gaijin, things like the Mig-15bis have the same performance as the F-84F, at least according to their suggested BR’s…imagine that xD
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