*Chaika with flares and chaff, 8 AIM-9Ls, a pair of 30mms, and a radar
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*Me with flares.
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Stop derailing the thread
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That would be awesome if we got it
(Actual swedish SPAA, no way)
lemme get this straight:
No change to su11, 2s38 or even the promised change for m735 but m18 is apparently too op and had to be moved up and ruin its entire lineup, decent jets like mig15s and cl13 had to be brought down for God knows what reason and bmp1s will now face fully stabilized, thermal cam tanks with composite armor for what again???
Gaijin, we celebrate April Fools Day on just the first day and not the whole month I hope you know that
Edit: Atleast do something about me163 b-0 sitting .7 BR above its base version, G91s at 8.7 with little to no flight performance to show for, same for F3H-2, all of me262s are getting shit on cause lackluster performance for its BR with no counterplay against other jets.
Also why is m26 sharing same BR as its upgraded versions? T25 at 6.3 even though it doesnt even have its stabilizers nor does it have the gun performance or any mobility to show for
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Critique:
M64
While the M18 got buffed with its engine power and its mobility is a bit better, these can go up, but the M64 did not receive such a change and thus has no advantage over the M18 while just being slightly more cumbersome as a vehicle.
Super Hellcat
Heavier than the M18 and with no major advantage other than that the gun that makes up for the increase in BR. A single BR step above the M18 as a less mobile but with more firepower platform is not unrealistic.
Otherwise some decent changes!
Suggestions, Air RB:
F-86F-40 (all)
9.0 → 8.7
Just like the MiG-15s, MiG-17s and other Sabre variants going down, these variants should not be forgotten. Their only advantages over other sabre variants would be their two mediocre missiles. Being at the same BR as the CL-13B Mk.6 is not really fair.
Hunter F.1, J34
9.0 → 8.7
These should also not be forgotten about. They are very lacklustre at their BR at the moment and would do well to follow their contemporaries down in BR.
P-51H-5-NA
6.3 → 6.7 or even 7.0
Again, as with every BR changes post, this one should - for once - be up-BR’d to 6.7. It is absolutely broken at its BR and has been for a long time now. Hell, even 7.0 would do.
MiG-19S, MiG-19PT
9.3 → 9.7
Untouchable in a downtier, but does not do well as most aircraft are much too manoeuvrable for it. Playing it is tedious and difficult due to enemies (that you set up for a kill) die to your teammates anyway. At 9.7 it can face enemies that it doesn’t entirely eclipse in performance.
F-104A/C
9.3 → 9.7
As with the MiG-19s, these are simply too tedious to face to warrant them being in this BR bracket. Every game that and F-104A/C is in it ruins the lobby by running forever as they can NEVER win a game against anything unless the pilot knows exactly what they are doing and the enemy is clueless. Please, they do not belong fighting subsonics that go half their top speed.
M.D.452 IIC
8.3 → 8.0
No significant advantage over the IIA other than the guns and slight engine difference. With the other 8.3, 8.7 and 9.0s going down, this thing would deserve a lower BR too.
Mystere IVA
8.7 → 8.3
Same as the M.D.452 IIC, a lower BR is deserved.
Super Mystere B2
This thing has none of the advantages the Israeli variants have, and thus deserves a lower BR, similarly to the other two french jets mentioned.
F-4EJ Phantom II, ADTW
11.0 → 10.7
Absolutely the worst Phantom in the game for its BR. Slatless wings make it terrible in a dogfight with anything that the F-4E could otherwise deal with.
Ki-84 hei
6.3 → 6.0 or even 5.7
Why in gods name is this thing so high in BR? It is just a Ki-84 otsu that trades 2 20mms for 2 30mms? Sure, the improved firepower is nice, but it really does not offer anything significant other than less time required on target.
J2M4 Kai
5.0 → 4.7
This thing is a boat. Rework its FM or reduce its BR please. Unflyable garbage.
A6M5 ko, A6M5 otsu
5.3 → 5.0
Why are these things 5.3?? They can turn better than anything else, sure, but that is their ONLY advantage. All other aircraft (with competent pilots) simply go up and the Zero cannot follow.
A6M5, A6M6c, A6M3 mod.22 ko
Again, ridiculous BRs simply due to the lack of skill from enemy pilots who cannot understand the enemy advantage and deal with their disadvantages.
F3H-2 Demon
9.3 → 9.0
An absolute boat. Show this turd some love, please. It is very pathetic at its current BR.
FJ-4B (all), A-4B
8.7 → 8.3
As with the other 8.7s going down, these should be no different. Especially since the A-4B is simply a worse A-4E at the same BR.
G.91 YS
9.7 → 9.3
This thing has NOTHING going for it except using Aim-9Bs instead of Nord AAs (which are arguably better) compared to the standard G.91 Y. No reason to warrant a higher BR.
G.91 R/1
8.7 → 8.3
Worst G.91 comparatively. Has only disadvantages compared to the German TT and the R/4s that have better missiles (and more of them) or better guns. Should go down with the rest of the 8.7s.
G.91 pre-serie
8.3 → 8.0
Should also go down as a result of the 8.3s going down.
F-105D
10.0 → 9.7
If used as a fighter, it is no better than an F-104A. Lacks flares, so could easily sit at the same BR as the T-2 while not bothering anyone.
S.O.8000 Narval
5.7 → 5.3
This thing is very, very sad. The only thing it has going for it is firepower, and due to this it is not very effective. Hunting bombers cannot be the sole strategy of this thing as head-ons just leave you crippled even if you survive. An absolute boat in terms of performance that is worse than even the P-38L at 4.7 - a whole BR below.
P-39N-0, P-39Q-5
2.7 → 3.0
These things simply bully everything, especially in downtiers. You cannot allow 1.7s to fight these monsters.
Wyvern
4.3 → 4.7 or even 5.0
One of the biggest mistakes ever was lowering this monsters BR, and more than once too. There is nothing in the game within its BR range that comes close to its performance. Nothing can catch it, even slightly, if it decides to run. Absolute terror.
Overall change with top tier
Raise BR to 13.0, up everything above ~12.0 a BR step up
→ If this is done, also raise the particularly good 11.7s to fill the 12.0 BR. These are (in my opinion):
F-14A, J-8F, JH-7A, Mirage 2000C-S5/S4
This change would make everyone happy (except those that only abuse the top tier aircraft) and would do well to decompress top tier.
Suggestions, Ground RB:
BMP-2M
10.0 → 10.3
I will never be happy with 4 fire-on-the-move tandem ATGMs at 10.0. These need to never see non-composite vehicles that it can at times pen frontally even with its autocannon. It is absolutely devastating.
Object 292
10.0 → 10.3
Essentially a T-80B with a longer reload for a much, much better round and lacking in some armour and a machine gun. The trade-off is fine, and it should sit with the T-80B at the same BR.
2S25, 2S25M
9.3 → 9.7, 10.0 → 10.3
Incredible firepower and mobility at a very unfair BR. These things have their niches that are filled well despite a nerf in BR.
Khrizantema
9.7 → 10.0
On some maps, this thing is untouchable. That is something that no BR nerf can do anything about, but it absolutely bully non-composite vehicles and it belongs at a higher BR where the playstyle is more acceptable.
XM-1
9.3 → 9.0 OR give it a better round
This thing was nerfed for some reason and now struggles to pen T-72s frontally unless aiming very well. It’s high mobility can no longer be its crutch as a single non-pen is a death sentence. I am not advocating really for a lower BR, but a better or re-buffed round is all I’m asking for.
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-I strongly urge the consideration for the J29F to be lowered to 8.7, The lack of flares, a mediocre afterburner and only having aim-9b reskins make it struggle in an uptier (which is quite common at that br range).
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Su-11 was already changed. It hasn’t been 7.0 in over a year.
Su-11 is an F-84G that has to take off from the airfield.
I’d take an F2H over Su-11 and F-84G.
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mainly because flares is seen as the standard for 9.7 and up, and not having them is a ‘weakness’ and iirc the F-5C is the only plane with ahistorical flares as of now (F-15A got flares with MSIP, the F-5C never got them with any upgrade)
its just your standard bombtruck, in sim and my experience its essensially just a normal S.2 at a whole BR higher,
also tip with the Buccaneers
they are the only planes bar the Lighting F.53 to carry the L.D H.E M.C Mk.1 bomb, 3 can be carried on each pylon (bar the bomb bay due to them being the longer versions (based on Mk.83 LDGP)) and to my knowledge are the only 1000lb bombs capable or destroying a base with only 4 drops, all others require 5, meaning with max bombload you can destroy 3 and 4/5th bases rather than 3 and 1/5th bases, it also means that you don’t need to open the bomb bay till you are ready to, unlike beinging full HE MC Mk.13s which all have the same weapon selector, bomb bay or not, while the L.D has a seperate weapon selector
thanks i will have a look at that
2S38 still 10.0
Atlanta still 5.3
F-15 stil 12.3
BR spread still +1/-1
Do you guys even listen to the community or play the game???
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They only listen russian/american/german comunity.
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Sorry all TD’s disguised as spaa
Bkan in arcade moment
@Smin1080p The SU22M3 gaining the R60Mk. Is that the soviet squadron vehicle, the german Tech tree one, or both. It doesnt specify.
Another case of relocating compression, instead of increasing the BRs and adding more, you just move down the compression so a different group of vehicles gets to suffer.
All of this is pointless, leave subsonic planes at 9.0 and they suffer from 10.0… push them down to 8.7 and 7.7 gets to suffer… it’s ALMOST LIKE EVERYTHING IS COMPRESSED and you refuse to add more BRs which is VERY OBVIOUSLY what is needed.
And now we’re going to have a 0.7 BR difference between a F-86F-30 and a F-86F-40 when neither should be anywhere near 10.0 to begin with, whilst we still have subsonic planes at the same BR as planes that do mach 2, and planes without counter measures against all aspect missiles.
BR changes are a giant waste of time because you’re not solving the actual problem, you’re fixing a single leaky pipe when there’s 50 more leaky pipes and it’s the whole plumbing system that needs to be replaced, sick and tired of this nonsense.
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I doubt that, consider how many of US vehicles are either broken or intentionally gimped, with long standing known bugs that never seem to get fixed.
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Would also love to know the logic behind putting the trash tier BMPs at 8.0 when they’re running a negative k/d across the board.
There are other mediums at 6.7 that also out class it, Type 61/ST-A3 and AMX-M4 out perform it in reload,Pen, And mobility, at the cost of some armor which M26 armor at 6.7 barely holds up anyway unless its a full downtier, Type/ST both get HEATFS aswell.
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No please no/ Prinze eugen and admiral hipper need to stay at 6.0 !!
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i dont think ive ever seen a naval BR change that made much sense
always a bunch of coastals you’d completely forgotten about and 1-2 bluewaters that are going up/down for no discernible reason
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