because an accurate burst uses less ammo than a wall of bullets
Bonjour, I think that some of the russian planes are to Low after the Changes, Like Mig 15 / 17.
Also I think that the Harrier GR.1 should get flares or move down from 9.7 to 9.3. Yes there was one GR.1 with a flare-system. Also i think the Tornado IDS variants may need a rework or a br change to 10.7.
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If they remove sraam ok otherwise no
I completely missed this because I was fixated on the Hunter
So now, the Scimitar, and Swift F.7 are considered as competitive as Lim-5P?
If we’re gonna move stuff down on mass, then we need to remember the other nations. The French tree could also do with some of its aircraft going down in BR, from what I know of them they’re struggle busses.
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You can always just get more ammo you know besides ammo isnt an issue if you just wait for the aircraft to get within 1.4km and shoot
The Mirage 3C is performing poorly because it lacks countermeasures. Moving it to 10.0, where it will still face 30G all aspect missiles every game, will NOT solve this. What are you going to do then, move it further down? To 9.7, to 9.3? When will this BR compression madness stop? Start addressing the strike aircraft that you decided needed all aspect missiles on bad platforms, rather than making literally everything around them suffer for their existence. All aspects have no place below at least 10.7, I’d say even higher.
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Just from a glance here it is clear that gaijin is not relieving the pressure on top tier, in no sane world should spitfire mk 24s be fighting mig 15s and sabres. Currently we have a deadzone is jest at 7.7 where when you get uptiered your basically useless, some planes like the venom are already horrible and are now the same br as vastly superior aircraft, see previously mentioned mig’s and sabres. In truth Gaijin needs to add .3 to the jet br and allow this bracket to breathe, as the way its going they are simply creating a br blackhole where there are vehicles that could just effectivly be removed from the game, as no one is going to play them when they are fighting stuff that is vastly superior to them in every metric. Honestly this entire br change for jets needs to be scrapped and re-evaluated, as the normal metric for how they balance doesnt work for it, as the variables are the fact that top tier is too compressed and it is forcing things down that dont/shouldent go down, when instead the ceiling should be risen ever so slightly.
All you have to do is have a quick look at the number of things edging onto 7.7 that have no place fighting 7.7s here, to realize whoever made this change has forgotten the capacity of the jets that lurk in the 7.3-7.7 range. It is just an uptier and you die, you might get a head to head or a kill if the opponent is dumb, but your gonna have a bad time.
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can we please not forget the ho229 struggling to keep up even in full downtier? For real it needs to be lower, just bcoz like 10 players in the entire community are good at it doesnt mean it should be this high
move A6E to 11.0. Reason: overpowered GBU-12
Yeah, nothing at 4.7 would survive
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the jumbo is a tank only kept in check by the fact most players play it badly, if you get a 3/4 stack of them with a competant team bar lucky revenge bombing your gurenteed a win, we used to farm the ge boosters using it, and it was consistant
Spitfires would meme on the early Mig-15.
7.7s are facing other 7.7s, with other BRs sprinkled in.
7.7BR range is fine, though the P51H5NA could finally go to 6.7 where it belongs.
I honestly cannot wait to play more 7.7 and 8.0 after this change, this’ll finally revitalize the BR range.
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its going to be me spading the dozen sabres and migs i have left clubbing meteors and other lesser planes, its not really a revitalization when its just moving two planes down so they can club to no end.
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What club? Nothing changes except they don’t face 9.7s. Cause 7.3 isn’t popular enough to cause up-tiers if you play 7.3.
Issue is it really isnt fine at 9.0.
1A5 is massive upgrade to its playstyle with laser range finder and thermals and better round, and it sits just 0.3 higher.
On the other hand, much more mobile TAM with same firepower as A1A1 with laser range finder sits at 8.7. Only real advantage A1A1 has over TAM is that leo cant be 50caled to death from side.
You can mae obsecenely powerful 9.7 GER lineup that is entirely capable fighting in the 10.0/10.3 blackhole and is even fine handling the occasional 10.7 game, tho lack of full 10.7 lineups make this full uptier rare.
Or you can make powerful 8.7 lineup, which is also quite potent for its range.
A1A1 doesnt fit any of those. I wont be uptiering 8.7 lineup for incredibly mid leo, and I wont be bringing such tank with weak ammo and mobility (when compared to other 9.3/9.7 choices) to 9.3/9.7 when there are multiple vehicles.
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Id agree and thats the reason i really dont think a 76mm Jumbo at 5.7 would be fair, given how i can bully tigers in the 75mm jumbo.
We must be playing different games entirely then, as nearly every game at 7.3/7.7 is at br or 8.0/3 due to it being the br with people breaking in their first jets. your looking at this from a completely wrong angle, as your thinking nice now my sabres and migs are not fighting f104s, but failing to realize now people in their p-80’s, mig-9s, f9fs and meteors etc are now like… Crud now i am fighting sabres and migs every game instead of fighting the first ones every 2 or 3 games. The logical answer is to just raise the brs of the 104s and other 9.7 jets and push the top tier of jets up a notch in br by .3. Let me make a collage of all the commonly encountered planes that are now buggered by this.
see affixed collage now
you cant look at that and say its not popular, these are the starter jets and you see a good chunk of them near on every game at the br, though some are admittedly much more popular than others
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I think that there is no reason for the T-34(1941) to move to 4.0, reason being that at 4.0 in the USSR tech tree we already have variants of the T-34 that are objectively better; like the T-34(1942), T-34 STZ and T-34E. These vehicles have the same firepower and very comparable mobility while having better armor. These vehicles are well balanced at where they are while the 1941 model won’t be used as it is simply outclassed for 4.0. Another Issue is that this ruins the Swedish 3.7 lineup leaving it with only one tech tree vehicle for no real balancing reasons as this leaves them with no better options for an all round medium tank (an issue that USSR doesn’t have)
Thank you for reading :)
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All for RB
- AH-1W (USA&CN) 10.7 > 10.3 should be the same BR as G-LYNX and T129, cuz they have same capabilies
- Mi-35M 10.7 > 10.3 same capabilities as G-Lynx and T129 but sligtly better zoom and less max distance on AGM’s 6km vs 8km on hellfires
- Israeli AH-60 11.3 > 11.7 or even 12.0 . It has no place to be on 11.3 with 16 Spike ER missiles while all of competition with similar missiles are on 11.7 with 8 missiles vs 16 on AH-60
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LOL, if the AMX-30 DCA goes to 8.7, then that means all these vehicles must go 8.7 too by their logic :
- Gepard
- Chieftain marksman
- ZA-35
- type 87
- PGZ09
no reason only for the AMX-30 DCA to go up in br alone, why is it so targeted against france each time ?
its the same with the EBRs
- 5.3 > 4.3 E.B.R. (1951) = a 3.3 tank equal to a Tiger H1 ?
- 6.7 > 5.7 E.B.R. (1954) = why is this thing at 6.7 ? it faces so many things it cant do anything
- 7.7 > 7.0 E.B.R. (1963) / AML-90 = like the AML-90 , being at 7.0 would be fair like the israel AML-90 at 7.0
now let me ask you this, when was the last time you saw any EBR in games ?, is it quite often ?
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