I don’t know man, the Jagdpanther usually is much easier to kill
Also, the premium Jagdpanther seems to get a similar amount of playtime according to statshark and that one still performs a lot worse than the premium Ho-Ri
Even without those stats, stuff in the lower BRs needs to stop being moved down even further. We are just ending up with more and more compression in the BR ranges that are suffering the most from BR compression in GRB.
Vehicle: Mirage F1C family (Mirage F1C, Mirage F1CT, Mirage F1C-2000)
Mode: Ground Realistic Battles
Proposed BR change: 11.3 → 10.7 (F1CT 11.3 → 11.0)
Reason: The Mirage F1C family are just not built for high intensitve CAS missions. It is basicallt an inteceptor with bombs, rockets and CCIP. For a long time, simply because of the “amazing” magic 2 missiles and not-that-amazing Super 530F buddy it sits at an insane GBR of 11.3, with absoutly no matching-BR ground vehicles or guided CAS weapons.
It’s quite rediculous to me that it shares a same BR as the F4E Phantom II / Kurnass and the F5E FCU. Other similar aircrafts like the Tornado and the JH-7 (not JH-7A!) are all at the same of not much lower BR. Consider the fact that the F1C family all have good missiles, a moderate turning maneuverability and slightly above average bomb/rocket loadout plus radar homing missiles, a BR of 10.7 would be an understandable one. (the F1CT model goes to 11.0 for it has better RWR, important contribution to survivability)
Man the French vehicle la TaXe is insane. “Hmm the f1c turns worse than the JH-7, similar top tier fox 1 missiles, similar loadouts and worse RWR with little more countermeasures… I KNOW! IT HAS FOX1s! In 11.3 ya fellas go!”
84 mixed vs 192 mixed and 216 chaff
Just a few more CMs
This is true for the most part. Instead of actually fixing the decompression issue, they keep changing which tanks should and shouldn’t move up or down. However, I judge a vehicle based on its actual performance rather than just its statistics.
The Ho-Ri could comfortably be at 6.3, as many of the tanks it faces can destroy it very easily, even at 6.0, with some being able to do so at 5.7. Unfortunately, the reason it was moved up is because of how well it performs in the hands of experienced players. It’s the same situation with vehicles like the T-44 and the F.M.
If this were to go through, I’d remove the BR-367 APHE round and BR-367P APCR round. Both are 50’s rounds that might make more sense on the T-44M, T-44S, and T-44MS.
I do admit im exaggerating here. Honestly though, I personally still don’t think the amount of CMs matter that much to GRB rather than fancy stuffs like a targeting pod and guided weapons.
You see if F1C family have even just a pod with two AS30Ls, they don’t have to conduct Super Dangerous CAS missions at all. 60 or maybe 80 on the JH-7 don’t matter that much to me than some 200+ flares and chaffs each. You still have to do dangerous recon flybys and charge directly towards tor-m1s and tunguskas.
Possibly nobody cares about french vehicles anyway tho.
No worries, I was just poking a bit of fun, even though I will say that 11.0 would be more fitting than 10.7.
I do care about these planes, but I also care about BR compression lol
in der Form:
Mode: (Ground Realistic / Ground Arcade …)
Vehicle: T-20
BR Change: x.x → y.y
Reasoning: I mean, this tank has such weak armor—anyone can take it out with a single shot. For instance, any tank can penetrate the lower hull—from the T-34 to the Tiger I and others. I really don’t see why this tank needs to be nerfed; it plays at 7.3, mostly against 6.7s like the Tiger II or IS-2, which can easily take it out with one shot without even aiming. Could it be that it’s already been nerfed? Because it didn’t used to be like that.
Yeah the BR compression is insane now. Also according to a little web diving and GPT, I found out the F1Cs’ been left rotting at 11.3 since relesae. Imagine a jet out for 4 years and still don’t have one ground vehicle matching in BR.
The Ho-Ri could sit comfortably at 6.3, but it also could end up overperforming.
For vehicle balance based on actual specs to work, we need a lot more decompression, not more compression. All we end up with is a more miserable experience when trying to use vehicles that aren’t favoured by the BR compression.
As it stands, we get way too few BR increases on average and, if people keep on making suggestions for BR reductions, we will continue to get more and more compression.
People always look at the planned changes, see a couple of reductions and start asking for other vehicles to go down, because they perform similarly, so we end up with possibly even more compression.
Since being emotional won’t help me even though venting sometimes makes me feel better, I will offer a suggestion instead. The Chi-To and Chi-To Late are sitting at a BR too high for what they offer. Their shell (Type 4 Kau) has a little more penetration than German’s PZ.IV H/J which sits at 4.0. The Chi-Tos have worse armor, a poor turret traverse rate, and hardly any mobility compared to lower tier vehicles. It really should be at a lower BR, either 4.3 or even 4.0.
You’re not going to agree with any of this because you already made up your mind about the vehicle a long time ago. However, it would work perfectly fine at 6.3. Almost everyone who discusses this tank asks the same question: “Why is this 6.7?”
The T-20 got a BR increase some time back, taking it to 6.3. Because there are so many 6.7-7.3 vehicles in all tech trees, the T-20 gets sucked into the uptier singularity on a regular basis. There’s nothing worse than going around a corner in a T-20 and there’s a couple Tiger IIs or a T44-100/IS3 sitting there with engines off. The numbers are skewed because people like Spookston plays it–a man who makes all tanks look easy to play. The reality is most who own it either put it on the shelf after the uptier or perfect the art of dying. I have no problem killing the rare T-20 when it shows up on the battlefield.
4.0 might be a stretch.
They should lower it to 4.3 and see how that shakes out.
You are right in saying that I am not going to agree with you, but that’s not because of the specific vehicle.
It’s because I cannot look at the planned BR changes and say:
“Yeah, you know what, let’s reduce the BR of these ones as well, there isn’t enough green on this table yet.”
Have you seen the armor on Ho-Ri Prototype?
Yes. There’s nothing wrong with it.
Pz.38(t) n.A
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Rank: Rank I → Rank II
Reload Speed: 3.3 s → 3.1 s
Add Spgr. 34(t) (HE)
Add Scouting
Correct top speed (Bug Report)
Correct Pzgr. 40 velocity (Bug Report)
Rationale
The Pz.38(t) n.A is in a somewhat similar predicament to the BT-7M. It has the potential to be a capable rank 2 scount, but at its current rank, it feels redundant when the Pz.38(t) F is already an option. Adding the scouting ability would allow it to step into a currently unfilled role for Germany’s 2.3 line-up.
Ho-Ri OP BR 10
Seriously tho WTF. Over pen?
It’s higher BR than Jagdpanther or SU-100. Worse or same armor than both. Larger than both. Slower than both.
Why do you say 150mm of flat armor (at most) on a giant, slow TD is “nothing wrong”? At 6.7 with comparable mobility we have the Ferdinand, which reverses 4x as fast and has much better protection.