Maybe then we could move up the F-16A with 9Ms and maybe F-18A?
Type 5 Na-To
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- Reload Speed: 6.5 s → 5.0 s
Rationale:
Despite having a very open compartment with two dedicated loaders, the Na-To has a rather poor reload compared to other SPGs with similar guns, such as Marder III Ausf.H or M10. The Na-To is a very sluggish and uncomfortable vehicle to play at the moment, so this buff would at least help it excel in its sniper niche a bit better.
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Well that is indeed unfortunate. Past circumstance warranted the nerfs 3 years ago as no aircraft could match its capabilies however current circumstance warrants the need for a buff or nerf reversal.
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Oh my, it’s slower than the M10 by 0.25 secs
While i agree that it should go lower, the reasoning, “the shells are smaller” is relative, since that isnt the only impact, but also weight and handling inside, and the Pz IV loader also has more space. And the breech type is also important, while the 7,5 cm KwK L/24 is semi automatic sliding breech, the Japanese 75 is interrupted screw. So they should be more or less the same.
I much prefer my F-2A over them F-15C is also pretty equal as well as Grippen C and J-10A
Wow, you guys really hate the K-8 Kusentei. I get that nobody plays that BR so the metrics are skewed by bots, but anyone who has actually fought another player with that thing knows it’s not OP enough to warrant being ruined by the 40mm and destroyer black hole at 3.3. You have ships with more than double its main armament at 2.3, and MPK-163 is staying at 2.0 despite having an even better armament than the No. 13 in almost every way. Not to mention, now the K-8 No. 13 is at the same BR as the late K-8 which gets 3 more 25mm guns.
I grinded all the ranks of the japanese TT till rank V with it lmao. an absolute beast! but the A7M2 with the better engine is even better
Nope first its only 2 ready to fire
And the bmpt rockets can be guided
With the spikes its just fire and hope for the best
Also the gun is good
Not the puma pom pom pom pom
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Just because gaijin is better than some other companies, it doesnt make it acceptable whatsoever. They need to do better
F-15C has worse flight model and missile kit, gripen has terrible missile kit.
They’re good, but not that good.
J-10A I cannot comment on as I don’t have it nor do I have an equivalent. I do hear it’s very good though, still not flanker level.
I’m not going to argue with preferences
i put bmd-4 in my 13.0 lineup to farm SP quickly. And it is playable on 13.0. But because bmd4 is playable at 13.0 that doesnt mean it deserves BR increase. I also got plenty of nukes in challenger 2 oes and ztz96p, which is one of the worst tanks in their BR bracket. But that is not a reason to nerf any of them. Most of the players do mistakes in the every battle, that is why u can still perform well in the worse vehicles.
If u look at stats of the bmpt it already has not that impressive performance, especially if u get uptiered. People learn to kill it. A lot of MBTs has better or identical KD and KB, but nobody complaining that is Ariete Certezza or Leopard 2a4 (OTCo) is overpowered. Simply because they are not. Same as BMPT at 12.0-12.3 even if it gets APFSDS in the future
Type 4 Chi-To [Both Variants]
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- Reload Speed: 6.5 s → 6.0 s
Rationale:
The ammunition has a more accessible placement than in the later Panzer IV’s, so it should not have noticeably worse fire rate.
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Vehicle: Tu-4 (all variants/nations)
Mode: Air RB
BR Change: 8.0 → 7.7
Reason: This thing is using a legacy BR, last changed probably 5 years ago.
It regularly faces full uptiers to 9.0, where it gets insta killed from 2-5km away by IR or SARH missiles. Its super slow, facing jets that fly 2-4x times as fast it. It should go down at least to 7.7.
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pls do damage pls do damage pls do damage pls do damage
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The German Puma Infantry Fighting Vehicle (IFV) cost varies based on the contract, with recent orders averaging around €21 million per unit in 2025. Earlier, smaller batches in 2023 saw costs closer to €30 million per unit, 11.0 is fine The exact cost of the Russian BMPT “Terminator” tank support fighting vehicle is not publicly disclosed, but it is generally estimated to be in a similar range to modern Russian main battle tanks, likely costing roughly **$3–$5 million per unit shod go 12.0???
I get it. only sweats really play the LF mkIX so it skill filters other players quite hard.
also makes sense, but only if all the trainer jet spam around that BR gets moved up even more
yea this things already pretty trash now with the drag nerfs
SHOULD BE 12.0
SAV deserves to be higher. also gaijin realised they can move panzer 4s? move the long 75mms up next time, they are pretty OP
anyways heres my BR change proposals from last time. my opinions havent changed
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Theese are MY PERSONAL OPINIONS you do not need to agree. if you do im happy to discuss it in a fair manner
general changes.
most things above 7.7 need to be higher by around 1+BRs for decompresion. this goes mostly for air but ground would also benefit majorly from a 15.0 BR peak
BMPT to 12.0
T58 to 9.0
Centurion AVRE to 6.7
FV4005 Centaur to 6.0
falcon to 7.7 as it has no more APDS
Chieftain mk3 to 8.3, its mobility is awful, no point it being same br as the same thing but faster
Chieftain mk5 give it its laser rangefinder, all mk5 have a TLS system
Fox back to 7.7
Turm 3 to 9.0 its too OP from a 105mm, coaxial falcon gun and godly mobility to see base centurions and similar
Hawk 200 recieve AGM 65D or moved to 10.0 for ground battles
Hawk 200 RDA given AGM 65D and moved to 10.7 for ground battles
Badger to 8.7, its useless
CRV block 2 move to 10.0, its a badger with non functional FnF missiles
AC.IV move to 5.0, it gets no APDS its not equal to challenger
Comet to 5.0 as its reload sucks and its gun is weaker than challenger
Caernarvon to 7.3 as its a heavy tank but placed at the same BR as the equally powerful mediums, its just a worse choice without artillery.
stormer AD to 9.7, its a worse LAV AD
Stormer HVM to 10.0, its a worse OSA
All soviet T-34s moved up by one BR notch, those things are baby mode to play. I quit playing USSR as it was too easy
Tiger 2 production (H) and SLA to 7.0
VK3002 and panther D to 5.7, the gun is too powerful on such platforms for 4.0-4.3 tanks to face
M53/59 to 7.0
BTR ZD to 6.7
ZSU 23 4 m2 to 7.7
ZSU 37 2 to 8.3 (RADAR SHOULDNT BE SEEING WW2 PLANES)
ZSU 23 4 to 8.7
ZSu 23 4m4 to 9.7
2s6 to 11.0
m24 chaffee to 4.3, why is a smaller faster sherman at the same BR as sherman?
XM246, Gepard, ITPSV leopard, type 87 and all other 35mm SPAAs to 9.0
PZH2000 to 8.7
VIDAR to 9.0
XM800T to 9.0
BMD4 (all variants) to 10.3
BMP3 to 10.0
ajax to 10.7
Pz 4 H&J to 4.3 as they are firefly equals with slightly worse turret traverse
Flakpanzer 341 to 7.7, its a heavy falcon now
Tiger 2 105 to 7.3
HO-RI removed from game for being fake
Ostwind 2 removed from game for being fake
Skink to 4.7, polsten 20mm are too slow velocity to combat the aircraft of 5.3-8.3 of which its forced to shoot at
ALL 4.7 USSR tanks to 5.3, they are absurdly OP
AIR:
12.3 hornet to 12.7
12.7 premium hornets get aim-9M and moved to 13.0
harrier T10 and AV8 Na gets aim 9m, 4x BOL and moved to 12.0 air (ground stays at 11.7)
harrier GR7 moved to 12.0
all harrier 2 variants to be able to carry six A2A missiles
F-5 variants all are moved by 1+ BR
Vampire to 7.3
Venom to 8.0
GR1 harrier either gets the countermeasure pod or moved to 9.0
Sea harriers moved down to 10.3 and 10.7
attacker to 6.7
mk3 meteor to 7.0
mk4 meteor to 7.3
mk8 meteors (all versions) 7.7
MIG 25 to 11.7
BI to 8.7, its a Komet but better
OTHER PEOPLES IDEAS not my opinions but from replies to this comment
MIG 29 is stuck in compression limbo please give it some QOL to give it a chance against 9m and F15
MIG-15 BIS ISH to 8.3 crazy good fighter with perfect CAS capability with its ballistic computer
SU30 (MK2 AMV, MKK) 13.7. they let even mediocre CAS players to sealclub lobbies.
Buccaneer S.2B move to 10.3 in air battles. she struggles with the spam of premium baserushers
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F8U Crusader at 10.0? What is the snail smoking?? 9.0 will be unplayable
Also where sim column
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What does the cost of a vehicle have to do with its br in war thunder
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IRL Prices are COMPLETLY irrelevant to the game. XD
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