Unfortunately gaijin goes off “this vehicle was OP almost three years ago, which clearly means the meta hasnt changed at all since then and it needs to stay nerfed”
This is why the F14s are all in such miserable states
But the IRIAF gets a pass because it was added well after the meta evolved
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Bf 110 G-2 GRB (not Air) 3.7 → 3.3
Just like gaijin once intended. The plane can be used in Ground attack with the Bk 37, however is limited to HVAP, which is quite bad, Overall it is realtively ok, somewhat slow and big for where it is. And the very similar ◔Me 210 Ca-1 36.M is also 3.3.
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Fw190A-8 5.0 → 5.0(GRB) 5.3(ARB)
The Fw190A-8 does not overperform in ground battles. There is no need to up its BR and take away another option which is primarily a fighter, not a ground attack plane.
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Hs 129 B-2 GRB (Mainly Ground) 2.3 → 2.0 while the Offencive Firepower is good, it has no defencive armarment and is quite slow with usually 250-300 km/h, especially in an uptier to 3.3 the power increase to other planes is extreme and the Hs 129 cant even escape, escaping from Biplanes (like the russian ones) is even complicated).
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Jagdtiger: reload time 23,6 sec → 19,4 sec (T34, Sturer Emil)
The Jagdtiger has two dedicated loaders for its two-piece ammo, because of this the reload should be faster than the Maus/E-100 and significantly faster than IS-3 and IS-4 with their cramped turrets and only a single loader.
The Sturer Emil loads similar ammo into a nearly identical gun in 19,4 sec with just a single loader!
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AB43
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Arcade Battle BR: 2.7 → 2.0
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Realistic Battle BR: 2.7 → 2.3
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47 mm 47/40 mod.38 Reload Speed: 3.3 s → 3.5 s
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8 mm Breda mod.38 Reload Speed: 8.0 s → 3.5 s
Rationale:
The poor penetration causes the AB43 to struggle much more in uptiers than its competition, mainly the AMD.35 (Pak) [BR 2.7], which can handle 3.7 heavy tanks. Even the KwK 38 version of the AMD.35 at 2.0 still isn’t an outright downgrade compared to the AB43, since it still boasts better armor and much better penetration.
The arcade BR is lowered to greater extent because this mode’s visibility mechanics tend to put stealth-reliant light vehicles at a disadvantage. This is a trend already seen in other light vehicles’ arcade BRs.
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Marder 1A1: add DM63
20mm HVAP is not even able to kill most light tanks from the front.
It already has the worst ground based ATGMs in the game and only four of them with relatively long reload and very limited launch angles.
It should at least have some firepower, the BMP-1 not only has far superiour missiles but also a gun capable of engaging every other tank frontally.
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Ju 87 D-5 (Ground, not shure About air) 3.3 → 2.3 While it did get a new aquivalent bomb loadout to the D-3, the flightperformance doesnt change and the very aquivalent plane, the Il 2 Mod. 1941 with 2x 20mm Shvak and 2x Shkas is at 2.3 (while also having a wider arrangement of explosives, such as Bombs and rockets). And even the mod 1942 sits at 3.0
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Semovente 75/46 M43
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Arcade Battle BR: 4.7 → 4.3
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Realistic Battle BR: 4.7 → 4.3
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8 mm Breda mod.38 Reload Speed: 8.0 s → 3.5 s
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Correct hull armor (Bug Report)
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Correct weight (Bug Report)
Rationale:
I see this vehicle as analogous to the Hetzer [BR 4.3]. Both are compact TDs with decent frontal armor, but otherwise poor survivability and mediocre mobility. Where the Hetzer has more uniform front protection and a larger crew, the Semovente M43 gets a lower profile and better gun. I therefore don’t see why the Semovente M43 needs to be placed any higher than the Hetzer.
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Lol F-18E at the same BR as the F-18C (1994) lol
F-18C has no HMS, no K band detection, only 120B, no C for longer range targets and the standard 120 cm lol
Aircraft:
J7W1 Shinden
Mode:
Air RB
Proposed Change:
6.0 \rightarrow 5.3 - 5.0
Reason:
The J7W1 currently suffers from a Battle Rating that assumes its high-speed interceptor role translates to effective combat capability, but in practice, its flight model is severely lacking compared to its contemporaries. Despite the heavy punch of the 4 x 30mm Type 5 cannons, the aircraft is hamstrung by an abysmal climb rate and a complete lack of maneuverability. It is consistently out-climbed by nearly every Allied fighter it faces, forcing it into a defensive position from the start of the match. Once engaged, its sluggish turn rate and poor energy retention make it nearly impossible to shake a tail or reverse an engagement. Lowering its BR would place it in a bracket where its high-speed diving capability is balanced against more appropriate opponents, rather than forcing it to face super-props that outperform it in every metric except burst mass.
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Comparing how Gaijin favors the US compared to how they’ve been consistently pampering Russia during this last months is basically wild gng 🥀🥀
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Did you not read the post?
The F-18C is overtiered it’s not equal to the F-15C or J-11B
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This tank was so nice to play at 2.3… I hated to see it get unreasonably uptiered.
All the Spitfires, A6M’s and A7M’s going up in br. Why should players suffer if the enemies keep dogfighting in their boom n zoom planes.
Also the ECL Bis and ECL 901 at 6.3?? If anything the CA Lorraine should go to 5.7
I also don’t understand the Alpha jet going to 9.0 in ARB. Its slow platform with mediocre maneuverability and a gun pod. I don’t see a reason why it should be able to face Mirage IIIC or J35D
Chinese F-5A was 10.7 not 10.3 in GRB and Japanese F-5A stays at 10.3???
BMPT could have just gone to 12.0 at this point but whatever beggars cant be choosers
Everything else seems okay
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better hp/t, better armor coverage(harder to pen with autocannons) & bigger readyrack.
i personally prefer 4 extra shells in the rack over gen 3 thermals. the readyrack refill is very very slow on these vehicles and 15 rounds goes quick with 4s reload.
also all tkx have a issue where when they turn they bleed speed like crazy. its been a known bug since atleast 2 years.
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Did you bother reading? I said F-18C (1994) not F/A-18C Late. The Finnish F-18C is the worst 14.0 lmao (not MLU btw one before that)
Vehicle: MiG-29M (9-15)
Change: Remove current CM setup and replace with correct countermeasure setup (goes from 60cm to 120). BR will stay the same
Reason: This plane has the worst flight model out of all 13.7 fighters and the lowest CM count in the br. This makes it much harder to engage more agile airframes with better energy retention and on par weapons kit than it needs to be.
Please gaijin, show the fulcrum some love
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/8eMs8UUKvpjo
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Bmpt should be 12.0+ so light tanks can actually be useable again but this is still better. But why exactly is the Freccia going up in br? It really have nothing going for it, with the bmpt around no one plays light tanks and thats about all the spikes are good for, light tanks.
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The wyvern 5.0 doesnt have even 1 5.0 ground vic to put with it. A CAS prop with no line up sounds fun