12.3 is air rb br right? Im not arb expert so I cant disagree. In grb its 11.7, just 0.4 br higher than 11.3 f4e and kurnass. Difference in their capabilities seems huge considering that.
They came out YEARS ago dude. Can we just never balance a prem, EVER? Okay chief.
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The F8U-2 should not be lowered to 10.0 in Air Realistic it simply one of the more powerful planes in the range of 10.0-10.7, I’d say it’s more powerful than the MiG-21SMT and MF combo at that tier because F8U-2 has better energy retention in most scenarios that benefit it in dog fights more than the speed bleed of the MiG-21 series.
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Aircraft:
Su-30MKK/MK2 AMV
Mode:
Air AB
Proposed change:
13.3 > 13.7
Reasoning: Consistently overperforming aircraft in terms of statistics. Vastly superior airframe to the MiG-29SMT with the same number of (superior in the case of the MKK) fox 3s in addition to 4 additional fox 2s yet currently sits at the same battle rating.
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I love the a7m1 reppu so might give it a shot. Reppu also been hit with the + BR :( Bad day for WT
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Suggestions / comments:
The F-14A IRIAF going to 13.3 is much needed, and a welcome change, as are giving it its 6 Fakour-90s. With that in mind, at 13.3 it absolutely needs its historical R-73s, which were absolutely successfully tested on the airframe.
This brings up a common theme with the F-14s, being horrifically outclassed in the WVR regime due to sub-par infrared missiles. Both the F-14B and F-14A either each need a step up in their IR loadout (9H->9L, 9L->9M) or a step down in BR. Compared to alternative options, namely the Su-27 at 13.0, F-15A at 12.7, the Dutch and Belgian F-16s at 12.7, the lack of a good close in missile loadout seems ridiculous, especially given the worse flight model and the AIM-54’s sub par performance given the availability of AMRAAMS on airframes around the 13.0 BR.
The Mirage 2000C-S5 does not need to go down in BR. That niche is already reserved by the C-S4, a unique plane which sacrifices it’s defensive countermeasure suite for a slightly lower rating. With this change, the C-S4 simply becomes an objectively worse plane. Also - the Mirage 2000C loadout with IRCCM missiles and a more than capable radar missile paired with a very strong airframe is in no way deserving of a 12.3 battle rating. Even against contemporaries like the F-18A at 12.3 - which I regard as ‘overpowered / undertiered’ the Mirage 2000C-S5 at 12.3 would severely outclass them. For reference, the MiG-21 Bison, with a remarkably similar missile loadout and unremarkable airframe, would be at the same BR. That doesn’t same fair.
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Nope. Dumb as ever, just juggling around planes for no reason. Anyone with a brain can SEE the F8U-2 should not go down again it’s utterly unfair.
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Pantsir SM-SV
12.7 → 13.0
The pantsir SM is absolutely ridiculous at its BR, even 13.0 CAS struggle like hell to even spawn in with one of these present
75G overload hypersonic missiles that can reliably hit targets from well over 20km WITH 30mm autocannons if anything manages to get through those monster missiles
This SPAA is absolute overkill for vehicles like the F15E and other 12.7 fixed wings / helicopters, arguably its overkill for DIRCM helis and SPICE metabombing CAS, atleast put it at the same BR where CAS is actually relevant for nations other than russia because being able to face this beast in an A-10 is ridiculous
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Aircraft:
Kfir C.2
Mode:
Air RB
Proposed change:
11.7 < 11.3
Reason:
The Kfir C.2 is now at a point where compression is starting to hit it hard now having to contend with F-15s that have decent quantity of IRCCM missile versus its x2 Python 3s, its extremely limited loadout puts the C.2 in a massively disadvantaged position where their means of attack has to be utilized in defence to destroy incoming radar missiles or forcibly flare off the enemies IRCCM missile without sacrificing a reasonable amount of their countermeasures. A jet that only gets access to x2 IR missiles should not be facing a enemy with such a large loadout disparity between the two.
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I dont have the f14 so dont have a dog in the race but 13.3 is playing in the 12.7- 13.7 hole.
So its now even more OP as more missiles vs 99% same lobby
ussr version was like 5 times on sale , now when they had extracted money from pl make it higer br just like they did with bmpt 72 2s38 t80ud
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it doesn’t need apfsds. I put it in 13.0 lineup still got nukes with it, could stay there and be fine
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Move BMPT to 12.3, then we can start calling this a proper BR change.
And it’s high time the Mig-21S (R-13-300) moves down to 9.3 or 9.0.
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Basically nobody understands the F8U going down.
F-104C is somehow going up to 9.7. It’s not a F-104 nerf cause A is same. Then only explanation is C being unpopular compared to A thus stats being inflated or ‘C has 2 more 9B, up to 9.7!’. F-104 is nothing but a flying pinata in the current meta…
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puma too
The BMPT needs more than this… 12.0 minimum, take away the ammo box, nerf the accuracy on high fire rate or nerf the survivability. The thing cooked matchmaking way too hard from 10.3 to 12.7 for this little br change to be sufficient enough…
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