I completely agree. I might have some doubts about the MAWS, but it should definitely have the I-Derby-ER missiles and the Python 5 (that’s truly historic), as well as improved avionics (ECM, EW, and a modernized RWR) that are also realistic. With that, Kfir C.10 Block 60 should be a 13.7 or 14 BR.
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Besides being historical, the I-Derby-ER missile has a range of 100 km (which is not the greatest even with current missiles such as the AMRAAM, R-77-1, PL-12, etc.) and due to its limited missile-carrying capacity it would not significantly increase its Br
B-24D BR should be lowered in RB and ground RB as well, not just in arcade. The PE8 is far more effective and a full 1 br lower.
What reason are the RE.2005’s moving up??? They are vastly inferior to many YAK’s that are lower BR than them. I have never heard anything about them over preforming, if anything they should go down to 5.7 air RB
Why? Why the hell is the Jaguar A going to 10.7 it only has 2 air to ground missiles and they’re LASER GUIDED!
meanwhile Russian cas with 6 laser guided sit at 10.0
Of course! But for those who say that would increase the Br too much, limiting it to just 2 missiles is the best option. A Kfir C.10 Blk 60 with 2 Derby ER and 2 Python 5 missiles is the most appropriate. :D
Aircraft
Air RB
Vehicle : Spitfire F Mk 22
Suggestion : BR 6.7 to 6.3
Reason
Currently at the same BR as the Mk24, which is identical in every way except having 150 Octane fuel, resulting in the Mk22 having worse performance in all metrics. Thus should not be at the same BR of the Mk24
Air RB
Vehicle : Spitfire F Mk 24
Suggestion : BR 6.7 to 6.7
Reason
If uptiered to 7.0, it has the chance of facing F86As and Mig15s, which out perform the Mk24 by a very wide margin. Currently at the BR of 6.7 the Mk24 already face competition that can out perform it, such as the P51H, Ta152H, Mig-9 Late, F80C, F84G etc… Thus it is suitable to stay at BR 6.7
Air RB
Vehicle : A6M5 Hei
Suggestion : BR 5.0 to 5.0
Reason
The A6M5 Hei has the exact same guns as the A6M6c, which is going up to 5.3. However the A6M5 Hei does not have the upgraded engine of the A6M6c, resulting in worse flight performance in both speed and turn. Therefore should stay at 5.0 if the A6M6c is to go up.
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the 3U and the TA 152 are the only things that pose major threats to the LF mkIX in any situation tbh.
it really isnt helped by spitfires being some of the lowest skill ceiling planes in the game, however mastering them does still take some skill and means you are next to unkillable, even against the Me262 spam in full uptiers while doing CAP in GRB.
Vehicle: Super Etendard
Change: Give it Magic 2 and maybe give it a thermal pod and leave it at 11.0 for GRB, adjust BR as necessary for other game modes.
Reason:
It’s a subsonic plane with only 2 rear aspect IR missiles in terms of AA armament, a laser pod with no thermals and no F&F air to ground ammunition. And if you do take the Magic 1s, you reduce the amount of LGBs you can carry from 6 to 4.
The Jaguar IS is at the same BR with Magic 2s and a thermal pod, the AJS37 is mach 1.5 capable with all aspects IR missiles and F&F ATGMs at 10.7. The A-10A early is 10.3 while being able to 2 all aspects IR missiles and 6 TV F&F ATGMs simultaneously. A-10A late is 10.7 with the ability to carry 4 all aspects IR and 6 IR F&F ATGMs, once again simultaneously. A-6, Su-25, Su-22, Mig-27, etc… Same kind of deal.
There are a litany of examples of better aircraft at the same BR or below. Even with these changes, its best loadout will be 4 LGBs and 2 all aspects missiles while still being a subsonic aircraft at a BR where supersonic and even mach 2 capable aircraft are commonplace, not to mention the SPAAs.
Besides, considering that the game depicts a 1997 variant of the Super Etendard, it never carried anything besides the Magic 2 in terms of A2A armament.
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“US mains need to stop complaining about the abrams, you have a 5s reload its so OP!”
“people are just mad about the BMPT, a one shot .1s reload double barrelled auto cannons with AP and HE (proxy) shells with 4 ATGMs is so weak!”
edit: forgot to mention blowout panels that dont exist, void armor where its weak, and multi layered impenetrable ERA bricks + composites with a crewless turret
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These seem to get better every time. Lots of good changes this time, but as always, a few questionable ones too. I mainly only speak about the air changes, since I am not a very experienced ground player, but I’ll start of by saying thank-you for moving the BMPT up in BR.
As far as the air changes go, they sort of get more questionable the lower in BR you go.
The F-16I going down is great, it really didn’t have the weapons kit to justifying being at 14.0.
The Kfir C.10 and F-14A IRIAF going up in BR is great too. 13.0 has two kinds of vehicles: Powerful FMs with no ARH missiles, and weaker FMs with ARH missiles. These two, in a sense, had both, and they were pretty pervasive. Giving the F-14A IRIAF some extra hands to go along with the increase in BR is a good idea.
The Mirage 2000C-S5 going down is okay. The weapons kit is slightly lacking compared to what is at 12.7 currently. It only has two strong IR missiles, and the radar missiles are not very strong, and it doesn’t have a particularly stellar FM as far as 4th gen fighters go. The Mirage 2000C-S4 is balanced (albeit quite strong) at 12.3, and the increase in countermeasures is not going to really change that in the case of the C-S5 model.
The JH-7 going up is great. The PL-5EIIs were WAY too strong to be at 11.3, especially considering the FM of the JH-7 is not too bad.
The F8U-2 going down is the first questionable change. This plane has a great FM, great guns, decent missiles and countermeasures. It’s super forgiving; even at 10.3. It WAS at 10.0 for a while, and it absolutely stomped.
The F-104C and Su-7s going up in BR is great. These supersonics with extremely high energy generation but poor ergonomics or manoeuvrability naturally get lowered in BR constantly since they are hard to get kills in, but defensively speaking they are completely unfair when downtiered. They really have no business facing subsonics which can do literally nothing about them. Great change, but I’d like to see it applied to the Lightnings, MiG-19s, F-106, and F-104A too. It isn’t that these vehicles are OP necessarily, its about relieving the immense pressure put on subsonics in the 8.3-9.3 range.
The Alpha Jet series is pretty balanced at 8.7, and even though the high speed manoeuvrability and the acceleration are excellent, they didn’t need to go to 9.0. It isn’t a tragedy to move these up, but it isn’t needed either. This is with the exception of the Thai Alpha Jet, which has much thrust, and while it still isn’t broken per-se, the flight performance is really strong and definitely a level above that of the other Alpha Jets. This one only should move up.
The F-80C-10 has been extremely strong ever since its WEP was made unlimited. 8.0 is completely fine for it. The MB-326K recently received a huge buff to its weight, and is now even more of a frag bus than it already was. 7.7 is completely fine, although I really don’t think it should go higher than this, since even though the manoeuvrability is outstanding now, it is pretty damn slow.
The Spitfire F Mk 24 does NOT need to go to 7.0 under any circumstances. It is a side-grade AT BEST to the P-51H-5 which is at 6.3. It used to be 7.0 and it suffered immensely. This is completely unnessecary, it is a very strong prop, but it has no business fighting an F-86A-5 for god sake.
The Re.2005 Serie 0 was already completely over-tiered at 6.0. Being italian, a turnfighter, and having strong guns, it is naturally going to be a frag bus, but it simply doesn’t have the performance to be 6.0, let alone 6.3. The Re.2005 VDM is MUCH stronger, it deserves to be different in BR to the Serie 0. The VDM version was fine at 6.0, but even it is too slow to be 6.3. The VDM version going up is not too bad, but the Serie 0 simply does not belong at 6.3.
The Spitfire LF Mk IX series are all incredibly pervasive at the moment, being more manoeuvrable AND with much more climb rate than just about everything it can face. It isn’t even too slow at low altitude. It is a pest to deal with and needs to go up in BR.
The N1K1-Ja, A6M5s, A6M6c and the G.55s all fall under the category of slow, over-tiered turnfighters with strong guns. They have low skill floors and hence they do well in the hands of the average player, but they simply do not have the flight performance to justify being at their current BR, let alone a BR increase. The same is true for the Fw 190 A-8s; it has an airspawn, strong guns and good high speed control, meaning the skill floor is very low, but the actual capability of the vehicle isnt enough to justify being 5.3. The exception is the A7Ms, these are very strong and, while not OP by any means, are difficult to deal with and could do with a BR increase.
The Wyvern S.4 going up is fantastic. This thing is way too fast on the deck, it gets an attacker spawn and incredibly strong guns. It is one of the strongest prop attackers in the game, whilst only being 4.7. 5.0 is completely justified.
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Vehicle: F-14A IRIAF
BR Change: 13.3 (no change)
Loadout change: Add R-73s
While having 6 Fakours is a good change itself, it should NOT be facing 14.3 Eurfighters and Su-30s with an entry lebel 20G rear aspect IR missile found in 10.0.
Iranian Tomcats have had many reports of usung R-73s. While they weren’t successful, even the R-27R was not successfully integrated properly for use, yet it is useable on the jet in game. It should DEFINITELY get IRCCM missiles at such a high BR
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Are you sure it is IRCCM? From the looks of it, it looks like a copypaste AIM-9P just locally manufactured without license (for obvious reasons)
12.0 abrams being pretty much equal to multiple 12.7 or 12.3 tanks…
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BMPT Br
11.3 → 12.0
A-10C M10 Booker
11.7 → 11.3
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I mostly agree, but just on point:
This change is only affecting GRB, not ARB (and AAB), so it will not affect it’s air to air performance but will put it at a BR where it has no line up in GRB, which will be the suck for those that bought it to use with the 11.7 premium tank line up.
Edit: nevermind I missed the JH-7 entirely and was reading the JH-7As
Look again!
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T90 M hull but its 11.7 ? Don’t u think it should have atleast 12.7 to begin with , it has 5 crew and is impossible to kill in hull down and has way more survivability than T90M ? Dont you think it is 12.7 vehicle?
It has ruined game experience for non ussr players
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And yeah it is a 13.7-14 BR vehicle i am not even joking
Ah, my bad, I was reading the JH-7As not the JH-7
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