Shouldn’t this missile have a similar IRCCM to the magic 2?
Seems like it was massively nerfed a few patches ago, people are easily flaring it at 1.5km ranges in rear aspect.
Isn’t that the PL-5C?
No, the PL-5EII that J-10’s and the JH-7s carry. It was essencially a slightly faster magic 2 and now its more like a magic 2 with no IRCCM. Used to be the best IRCCM missile in the whole game. Now the worst it seems because it isn’t working
Recently recently or just post last major update?
Since they added the JH-7A I think. I’m right now playing the F1C/M2k to see if the magic 2s are still the same
No, I mean. when have you noticed the IRCCM feeling worse?
Ive heard a lot of people queston IRCCM performance since the Dec 2025 major update
Since they added the JH-7A, the 11.3 one and when they also added PL-5EII to the 12.3 one
Are right, you mean the JH-7
JH-7A was Oct 2023, which is what I was getting confused by
In which case, does roughly lineup to when a lot of people started noticing more issues with IRCCM in general
Yes, sorry I swapped the names
I am checking if gatewidth is broken in general, also I know you found issues with the tracking suspension missiles but its the IR missile I’ve used the most lately and I found no issues with them (at least not behaving any differently)
Yeah. Ive not used anything with gatewidth in a little while. So I have no first hand experience if I feel anything has changed, but I wouldnt be surprised if it had
I was using pl5eii after premium jh7a came out and the irccm was doing better than any other irccm missile ive used recently
I suspect they nerfed it or broke it a bit after that, have you used it recently?
I dont think theres been anything in the datamines about changes to it recently
But no i havent used it since last year
Some things might not appear in the datamines, for example:
I remember every plane being nerfed in energy retention in the 2.31 patch in 31 October 2023 when they added the mig-29G to germany, the advark etc…
No one mentioned that change, not in the patches, and no datamines because I ran through them all. I tested the live and dev server side to side and every plane I tested was nerfed in sustained turn rate by 1-2deg/s. When the patch went live those FM changes persisted and no one talked about it
Might not even be missile specific, but a change to how “IR Signatures” are modeled. Flares might have been made hotter / larger luminosity or engines “colder” or something
I don’t think so because if that was the case non IRCCM missiles would go for flares even easier and that’s not what I’ve seen from flaring AIM-9Ls for example. If that was the case they would pull for flares even faster
I havent seen a 9L ignore a flare in a long time, Seems to be first flare defeat most of the time
I’m not saying ignoring, I mean that the missile would switch the track for the flare even faster.
In normal conditions, the missile will take a second to switch after you flare and cut afterburner at the same time, because the engine will take a second to cool down, except for very cold jets ofcourse