Pantsir S1 is without question most modern and most effective air defense system in the game. It surpasses any other air defense systems by a huge margin… Most ready to fore missiles, best secondary armament, best radar and radar coverage etc.
But imo most annoying and most broken feature of the Panstir is the fact that missile launches can’t be detected by RWR. No aircraft know that it being fired upon by Pantsir (people often complain that AIM-9M is smokeless and thus undetectable, Panstir is the same).
So my proposal would be make Patsirs tracking radar/missile guidance detectable by top tier RWRs.
Why?
IRL airaft facing Pansir would be equipped to detect such thread like additional ECM pods, towed or other decoys to level the playing field
recently Gaijin has updated Russian VSO-10 RWR so it can detect PD now, I guess a lot of VSO-10 equipped aircrafts were downed by F-4S? etc without even knowing. Updating western RWR would be the same step.
While i don’t think the Pantair needs to be removed killing the same pantsir player twice might be a skill issue on his part. Unless you were space dropping bombs.
Then you never get force to dogfight at 5000m at range like 17km away then get fire upon by three Pantsir force you to fight while dodge three god damn Abomination and fighting fighter that try to get you
And you cannot run away or you risk exposed your six
While your team AA can only watch because they can’t help it too far for them
only option left is to end that enemy fighter fast or either pantsir or fighter will get you soon at you slow down
(which happen often in 1V1 dogfight)
Only i win because i’m in a god damn Gripen that allowed me to end dogfight fast
But Pantsir can
That still count as advantages tell me which SPAA apart from Pantsir can do that? And tell me can interrupt the fight from 17km away isn’t advantages?
Ofc you BS about oh “i can dodge Pantsir by go fast bla bla bla” everybody know that sht
I’ve never dogfought in top ground RB and never will.
The goal is to not die to SPAA, if someone wastes spawn points on an aircraft to frag me I’ve already reduced their team roster by 1.
No SPAA in War Thunder can interrupt fast engagements at 17km.
You don’t answer my question because you can’t did you? (Ofc typical you) then you jump to tell other of your BS or you just don’t want to admit it that was true when i say range can have advantages
Ofc don’t need to dogfight are possible now with Fox3
No SPAA can shoot down fast aircraft from 17KM sure
But no SPAA in the game can interrupt some action (like casing, counter maneuver or dogfight) from 17KM except Pantsir
And sometimes interruptions like this can have result (can turn hunter to hunted or from win to lose etc anything can happen)
Hah that why i said you still lack experience how top tier works in more deep detail buddy you look just plainly but don’t drive deep into more detail like you case 2S38 against CV9040C
An RWR is the only thing that can distract a pilot, and wasn’t someone’s argument that Pantsir’s tracking radar doesn’t trip a number of RWRs… thus not distracting them, thus not interrupting.
TL;DR advice for CAS at the top end:
1- Fly as if you’re always locked and fired on from the ground irrelevant of how safe your distance is, and no matter what your RWR is doing.
2- Learn some CAS tactics such as the S-maneuver.
3- Run AGMs, GPS-Bs, IR-bombs, etc whenever possible for longer-than-16km weapon launch ranges.
The fact that Pantsir is the one forcing people to learn these things instead of people learning when Crotale was added is honestly annoying.
Isn’t always people spawn jet is to do CAS and hunting Pantsir only
Let be honest here any Pantsir that die to it simple are idiots (considering this because they has TWS they exactly see what coming)because all they have to do is move around like 20meter away and they basically safe because GPS it not for moving target
How many nation have access to that
And Crotale are in the same time when Laser GBU can works at long range and can out range them
sure long ago laser GBU can also out range even Pantsir before Gaijin just
-Add speed limit that can’t drop it above mach 1
And seem not enough it still can ruin Pantsir days even brick like Tornado IDS can do that
-And finally fcked up the entire seeker that now even with correct path and CCIP still can’t hit because it can’t see laser
Or I just flew low to avoid being seen by him and he focuses on others as i strike with a surprise. Did u not see the server replay? Skill issue or not, doesn’t change the fact that I am able to destroy the Pantsir-S1 with this tactic. Im not saying they are useless, its a pretty dangerous SPAA, I’m just saying its how I fight them since Japan doesn’t have super long range CAS. Also, they can only deal with 1 target at a time so that also makes a bit easier on me to engage as they are busy with another target.
No i couldn’t watch the replay i am on my phone.(when i get home probably will sounds interesting)
I never had the reason to try recently but i remember the Pantsir being able to engage 2 targets at once 1 radar other optical. As i said i haven’t tried using the radar option in a while so i don’t even remember if it was still there last time i was in the thing.
Still there should be more comparable SPAA for other nations.
Until you realized CCIP for GBUs came out in 2023 with Pantsir’s addition, and for those of us that had to learn stand-off without CCIP against 12km range SAMs starting from the knowledge of the ~4km range F&F TV guided missiles of the past… yeah, it took a bit of trial and error.
