This was discussed on Discord, whether or not you see a modified 88/85mm here still doesn’t discount the fact that this SU-100/85 appears to have the muzzle brake of the 52-K, something that was also included on the T-34-88…
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buddy its very clear this is a 88
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The weird gun T-34-85 in the newsreel was not concluded to be the T-34-88 by eyeball guestimation. It was confirmed by linking up the reconstructed service history timelines of the weird gun T-34-85 from the newsreel with that of the T-34-88 from that Soviet AFV registry. The keystone of this claim is that weird gun T-34-85 photo from the 174th Evacuation Company, which was part of the Army responsible for accepting the surrendered German equipment and sending the T-34-88 to the 73rd Tank Battalion.
By knowing how the German engineers would convert an 85 mm tank gun into 88 mm in Courland, and the similar 85/88 anti-aircraft gun-style muzzle brake, and a two-piece built-up barrel that the SU-85 gun had, I personally think it could be a SU-88 converted by rearming a SU-85 with an 88 mm gun.
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Of course, I do not expect you to blindly assume the existence of an SU-88 based off a few blurry photos, but it was just something that came off as noteworthy to me seeing as how the base SU-85 doesn’t have a muzzle brake to begin with. And considering that the T-34-88 is only really confirmed through Soviet records, it seems plausible that an SU-88 that wasn’t accepted back into Soviet service for whatever reason would never show up in documents or be properly identified under any formal registry and thus lost to history.
SU-88 was in the non-operational dump. That is most likely why it doesn’t get back to the Red Army Armory.
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Well, not sure there will be any further discovery unless better photos are dug up, but the potential of a second 85/88mm armed vehicle is still very exciting to me.
It actually didn’t look like any 85mm and 88mm gun. That gun was definitely proven to be an 88 mm by the recipient remark of T-34-88 from the 73rd Tank Battalion AFV Registry.
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If just a photo is enough to prove that the SU-85 was the SU-88, that one would be enough. Those two features I circled should be enough to prove that it was an 88 mm gun, after confirming what a converted 85/88 mm tank gun would look like.
Update: no it is not good enough.
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In which case, I wouldn’t really have much problem if this was added alongside T-34-88 ingame one day, seeing as how the visual evidence seems to be legitimate more or less.
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I feel it should be added same way the AMD PAK was and should be added to both trees as a tech tree as this is not a event worthy tank
I feel like I’ve just stumbled into the lost city of El Dorado. I need this asap. I wouldn’t mind seeing it for both Germany and the USSR since the latter used it for a little bit, however, the SU-88 should be a German exclusive since it wasn’t operable when the USSR took possession of it.
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It’s got my support. I’d love to see this in game, Germany and Russia prem, or at least German.
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@Kefal_Bravo_690 Please either remove the Video or add a clear warning to it.
Second; if anyone thinks a post or whatever violates the Rules / Guidelines, please either Flag the post with a Comment (bottom option in Flags tap) or DM responsible Mod(s), a discussion like this is unecessary.
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hopefull its in both trees as a tech tree vehicle like the lowtier pak car that was added to france
After further investigation, the gun on that SU-85 was not the same converted 85/88 mm gun on the T-34-88. The main reasons it could be a SU-88 were as follows:
1. It had a weird-shaped muzzle brake.
2. It had a two-piece built-up barrel.
3. The gun was longer than D-5S
According to this picture from the Dailymotion newsreel, it was not a T-34-88 style two-piece built-up barrel.
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According to the following overlay, there is no definite proof that the gun was longer than D-5S.
That is strike 2 out of 3. It is still possible that the gun was the shorter Aufgebohrt 85/88 mm gun due to the unusual shape of the muzzle brake, but it could also be a rain cover. More information would be required to confirm that it is an SU-88.
Update: After more thorough photo overlaying, I was wrong again. I retracted what I typed in this comment
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I’ve been looking for so long just to find proof of this vehicle’s existence after I saw the WoT Console T-34-88. Thank god it’s actually real. I’ve wanted it for ages.
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Damn! What a beautiful find!
Ive been away for just a while and here comes such cool suggestions!
Also there is a Typo, gun depression should be -5 based on the original T-34-85, not -0.5
My logic is if its a 88mm, it was rebored from the 85mm and thus the breech block should be the same, but correct me if I am wrong.
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many thx
I still remember reading about T-34-88 on old WOT forum, like really old around 2011-2013.
Always thought just dismissing the whole idea was so weird because Germans kept reboring 85mm through whole war even sending some to other countries. Also KV-1C modification with 75mm proves that they were not against trying to re-arm captured equipment.
Nice to see more info surfacing about the vehicle.
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