Pantsir should go to BR 12.0 in Ground RB

Machinery of War Discussion Ground Vehicle
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I just dont see what alternatives there are. Yes SLAMRAAM spam would be annoying, but no more annoying than trying to fight Su-25SM3s in the ADATS.

And perhaps it would enable more advanced CAS to be added like Brimstones, ARM, etc etc.

It is an arms race for sure, but we’ve stalled out (both for SPAA and CAS)

Short doing nothing at all and leaving the US and Britain with 7-8km range SAMs (let alone everyone else like Italy with their SPAAG or Israel with nothing at all) there is really only 2 options, these strong, yet shorter range options such as the Supacat HVM or HUMVEE with their respective weapons or things like Sky Sabre or Patriot with extremely high range with some sort of external radar set-up.

The only other option is to make CAP a LOT cheaper, maybe as lower as 200 SP. (maybe slightly higher with ARH) but still. As it stands. I just dont consider Britain (and by extension the US) to have any top tier SAMs and most other nations, bar the Soviets and to a slightly lesser degree, China, to have anything even close to effective top tier SPAA.

10.3 is the max I usually play with Britain these days. Good MBTs, Good SPAA, Good CAS.

Just wish things like the Apache were to be honest, playable, one of the main reasons I worked to get to top tier ground at all, was because I wanted somewhere to play that, that was actually fun.

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you realise if we keep pushing for more modern equipment, aka SLAMRAAMS, brimsones, arm etc.

the game as you put it can only go one way. its stalled out? not really cas id say nato nations are further a head than the eastern ones bar the su25, su24 and JH7A now.

rather than grabbing for newer, and newer, and newer shit, why dont we all advocate for stuff in game to become more balanced. the pantsir as it stands can be out classed by a semi competant pilot. the issue is the map, and mission designs are still for fking ww2 tanks, if we had modern objectives, for modern equipment then it would be half the battle. E.G look at ARB its just AAB+ where as sim is more like what ARB should be but with 3rd person for example. same as the tanks.

but now, GRB is so poluted with the zoomer mentality we arent getting bigger maps, or more spread out objectives its all just one big cluster fk in, that goes for SPAA and CAS/CAP too, spawning in a jet that goes mach jesus, 15km from the match is really not much time for positioning, where as the SPAA which will be sat in spawn is likely to get trampled by a spawn rushing tank.

the the adats at top tier is far superior than anything another minor nation has.
the issue is with cap going lower is can still demolish ground units with basic belts.
does it need re worked? yes, the whole damn game does. from AAB, GAB, GRB, ARB, to even sim which is left out most the time, and naval.

also yeah i really like the 10.3 area for britain as well man the challanger 1s, i got all 3 (DS as well) its a phenomenal lineup with the vickers mk7, and khalid as a back up. im actually working on spaa rn got the chieftain marksman and its bloody fun xD

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Because my main gamemode is air and having to sit and watch aircraft that are added, added in massively handicapped states for the sake of balancing the ground modes is really annoying. Even more annoying when perfectly suitable aircraft to be added a year ago, are denied because “they would be too OP in ground” arise, like the Tornado Gr4.

How though. How can ADATS be made to be balanced vs any top tier AGM without adding something to replace it and the only options to replace it are things like SLAMRAAMs.

If it wasnt for the fact that the ADATS can in theory take out tanks. Id barely place it higher than 10.7 currently. At least when compared to the Stormer HVM.

Stormer HVM (10.3)

  • 7km range vs helis and aircraft
  • 16 missiles
  • Best optics in game
  • Scouting
  • Smokes
  • Good mobility
  • Small profile
  • IRST not radar (so not detected by RWR, but cant handle thin clouds)
  • No prox fuse

ADATS (11.7)

  • 10km range vs Helis, 8km range vs aircraft
  • Prox fuse
  • Can take out tanks, but ERA stops missiles most of the time despite tandem warhead
  • 8 missiles
  • Slow as hell
  • Huge profile
  • No smokes
  • No scouting
  • pretty poor radar that everything can detect

this is true, but I still dont think it would change the fundemental imbalance between top tier SPAA systems and basic AGMs:

ADATS (UK & US)
Imp, Chaparral (israel)
OTOMATIC (Italy)

Shouldnt be considered top tier SPAA.

FlaRakRad (Germany)
Tor M-1 (China)
It0 (France and Sweden)

are much better but fairly easily defeated.

(I have no experience fighting the Type-81 but Ive heard its kinda bad due to wrong missiles?)

No map change will ever enable something like the ADATS or OTOMATIC to reliably fight AGM-65s, let alone long range missile like PGMs or KH-38s. Heck even something Bus-like like the Tornado dropping GBUs can usually outrange ADATS, I’ve killed many just flying in a staright line after spawning in.

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Type-81 is all the negative of top tier SPAA but more

  1. can’t lock ground hugging heli beyond 2Km
  2. can’t lock small aircraft beyond 6Km (including plane and AGM drone)
  3. max missile realistically only ±8Km
  4. missile pull ahead locked target so it will hit ground, if plane have more than 5 braincell and pull to the ground

people forget that optical lock range depend on the size of the target. Tiger HUT at 5Km at 3000M will not even get a lock

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One of the most satisfying things in game so far for me happened this week.
Was a hovering at (I think) 3km away a few hundred meters up. Shot my M830 round and he wasn’t moving, smacked him dead on. One of the most satisfying shots to date lol. Finally someone sat still long enough and schwacked em.

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would be better for all nations to get opportunity to use CAS, and not just whoever has Russia on their team.

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The only puzzling and confusing thing to me is that all other MBTs are moved up instead of just the up armored leopards

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The 2a5 going to 12.0 is crazy for me. “It’s doing better” then any other nations top tier vehicle? Come on now.

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You can rejoice now

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news:S1 go to 12.0 now

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Because it is better than the Challengers, Merkavas and Arietes which for whatever reason all go to 12.0.

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Considering it fights planes, nah

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So it’s better than SepV1 and 2? They said it’s doing better then every nations top tier tank.

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No they didn’t, they said it’s better than MANY other nations top tier tank.

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They balance based on stats alone pretty much, I can see why the 2s38 isn’t going up, I believe the stats most people (even myself lol) have are pretty mediocre with it, especially since its a premium without any barrier to entry but $$$.

But the pantsir is an end of the line TT vehicle in the least popular line, you would think only decent players would get their hands on it, and the thing obviously smokes planes easily, so are they like looking at the ground KDR stats only on it and deciding its fine?

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Love this, hire this man

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Ok, many others.

What makes it better than “many” tanks? Turret armour and a good round?

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Honestly the pantsir should either be removed as it’s to early for it and re-add it when it’s ready OR add it equivalences for other/opposing nations to balance it out like the Sky-Sabre with the AIM-132 ASRAAM for Britain and whatever USA, France Sweden use.

Personally I think don’t add any of them including the pantsir until it’s balanced between the range of SPAA and Range of CAS. Long SPAA range means planes can be shot down immediately. Long CAS range means SPAA/Vehicles can be killed easier. I know planes spawn with clouds so they can’t see the battlefield but these are client sided and are not the same for SPAA Looking up. So you have to either create equal cloud cover or remove clouds completely.

It depends, if u hate CAS you’re gonna want SPAA to have more range than CAS missiles/bombs.

If u play CAS and dislike long range SPAA you’re going to want long range bombs/missiles.

There’s no way of looking at it without burst.

Personally I don’t care and I think for CAS Vs SPAA it should be like 80-90% equal no matter what nation. Obviously some better than others but shouldn’t be by much. Russia being the only 1 with these both long range CAS AND SPAA is pretty insane, unfair and unbalanced.

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Nato has far superior multirole aircraft on the other hand. Also according to Thunderskill Itos and even flakrad have better KD than pantsir, probably due superior cas.
Just don’t fly like a drone and you will be fine.

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Not necessarily about the aircraft, it more about the range of the missiles and how they work.

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