For real, it never should’ve been added. USSR could’ve gotten the Tor instead
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Yes but as long as the other nations don’t get an equal system the Pansir should be moved up in BR.
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its funny how a lot of people want planes removed from the ground and then right after they want to remove any spaa that can stop a f16 pilot with half a brain, if pantsir is removed 2s6 stands NO chance to keep the skies clear and you will have f16s running more rampant than leopards at top tier, you guys either dont play the game or dont think about how bad this would turn out
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Doesn’t matter when the the fundamentals of the game are busted → maps / modes.
Currently we only have tiny maps with objectives short distance from each other and teams spawning practically on top of each other, making the AO incredibly tiny. A single SPAA is able to shield entire team. This is absolutely unrealistic and also gets more broken with higher rank.
When a low SP cost Pantsir can spawn anytime without any grace period or warmup directly below your plane, right after you cleared the enemy team of enemy SPAA, it just deletes you. It’s completely unfair. At least you see the plane coming on your radar or as a dot in the distance. With SPAA? Nope, just straight up pops into existence below you and 2 seconds later poof, your 1200SP plane (or whatever insane SP cost they ask nowadays) is deleted.
You can move Pantsir BR around however you want, until modes/maps get completely reworked, BR placement won’t matter a single bit. The only fix is EC style game mode for combined battles. Large maps, increased timer, spread out objectives, more spawn locations to the point where a single SPAA can’t just sit in spawn and shield enemies from their airfield to your airfield. There should also be a function that an SPAA can’t spawn within 5km of an enemy plane or at least a grace period that an SPAA can’t shoot within 60 seconds of spawning in.
I guess this game ain’t ready for it though considering people can’t even be bothered to stay in a match after 1st death anymore.
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That’s not really a point, because it only benefits ONE nation, and by proxy one side.
Not to mention you wouldn’t need a pantsir if there wasn’t planes in the map.
It’s a bit nonsensical how you tied that altogether.
I used to be for TO mode, now I’m indifferent, I like CAP and destroying planes doing CAS. I still don’t use CAS.
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I guess most of 11.7 vehicles will be moved up BR to 12.0, Pantisir-S1 may not appeared in the Planned BR changes, but may appear in the final one, it’s something that tend to happen.
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it benefits any nation that is on that team, i often squad up ru with usa so it covers for both in that case, the solution is more competitive spaa for everyone not nerfing any existing one when cas already has the advantage
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Let’s just hope that other SHORADs like the FlaRakRad and the Tor stay at 11.7 since they are not equal to the pantsir
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Yes and no.
Yes, every other nation should have gotten a SPAA equal to the Pantsir by now, it was added in March 2023 so a year and a half ago and no other nations really comes close. There are certainly options for every nation to get an equal SPAA, but gaijin just doesnt seem to want to add them.
But…
that doesnt mean its at the wrong BR nevertheless. Pantsir vs ADATS it’s pretty clear which is better and that they really really shouldnt be the same BR. Id go as far as to say the ADATS could perhaps do with being dropped down to 11.3, Pantsir moved up to 12.0 and then add SPAA ASAP to every other nation at 12.0.
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But its not rock paper scissors.
Tanks kill Tanks, SPAA, Helis
SPAA kill Tanks, SPAA, Helis, Planes
Helis kill Tanks, SPAA, Helis, Planes
Planes kill Tanks, SPAA, Helis, Planes
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Just because one thing is bad doesn’t mean something else should also be bad
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they dont have spaa equal to the pantsir but that isnt a two piece system ? or obcenely over powered aka launching fking amraams xD
the pantsir follows russian military doctrine while most in the west of nato follow an air superiority doctrine
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Maybe it’s time for SEAD then
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I really dont think ground launched AMRAAMs, would actually be all that powerful. There was an upgraded version with longer range but the first version I think was like 20km absolute max. With how nerfed AMRAAM are, they would probably be a weaker SAM system than the Pantsir.
For Britain you have options like the Supacat HVM that fires 14-16km range ASRAAM. Again, IRL would be stronger than Pantsir, in game, probably defeated by a few flares, but would at least have a range greater than 8km.
Though maybe its time to work out how to add SPAA that have seperate radars. The status quo cannot remain short of making CAP for all nations but the soviets like 150-200 SP
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what stops you from doing that in game? i typically focus on the SPAA over tanks initially due to the fact they pose a fking threat? xD if youre at top tier, you either got access to GBUs on most air craft, or AGM65s of some description, use them take out the enemy SPAA go rearm and repeat until youve got uncontested air ?
the pantsir at top tier isnt the issue, the fucking F16s etc all hurling ARH missiles is
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Pantsir out ranges AGM-65 in most situations, let alone it can intercept them if not spammed.
A lot of GBU carriers like the Tornado can rarely get into a position to actually emply GBUs vs a Pantsir.
Yes there are exceptions, but I think hes talking about adding things like HARM, that would give another possible counter vs the Pantsir, though the Pantsir can quite happily operate without radar unlike stuff like the ADATS, so would probably end up nerfing everyone elses SPAA and not changing a thing for the Pantsir
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More like:
Tanks kill Tanks, SPAA, and helis if they’re really lucky and the heli pilot is dumb
SPAA kill Planes, Helis, and Tanks if the particular SPAA has AT capability (most don’t at high tier)
Helis kill Tanks, SPAA, Helis, and Planes if the plane pilot is dumb
Planes kill Tanks, SPAA, Helis, and other planes
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ASRAAM is far too busted to even consider it would just shut down all opposing air.
to say that an amraam launching SPAA would be weaker than the pantsir is just total fuckign nonsense man, the pantsir 90 percent of the time is fucking useless unless you fly in a straight line, seriously this nonsense of people thinking its the iron dome system incarnate is just ridiculous.
and cap for the soviets when i spawn it is still the same as other fighters dunno where youre pulling 150 to 200 SP from man, you also dont have any top tier soviet shit unlocked, infact, your only rank 8s are british.
there are far, far more busted SPAA at stupid levels than the pantsir in a BR bracket where ATGMS have over 16km range, and the cap thing as well, it costs me 480 to spawn an unloaded mig19 in a top tier game, same as any other fighter thats severely under BRd for the match.
ASRAAM is just out of hte picture mate it is what you think the pantsir would be, and also it isnt a single vehicle SPAA is it ? thought it was two part, the missiles are ridiculous we dont even have ASRAAM in air yet, and again Amraam missiles would be pushing SPAA to the limits, if two amraam slinging spaa were up the enemy air would be completely done, christ fire it within 10km in ARB dunno bout sim yet, and its usually a kill.
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so yeah i use the harrier Gr7 to flank around and scud them with agms just fine, hell i do it with dumb bombs on the gripen as well. theyre really not that difficult to take out at all.
the tornado is a lost cause in air and ground as its either missing half its shit, or is completely modeled wrong, that isnt the fault of tha pantsir and is an issue for another topic.
the HARM is an antiradiation missile so its not gonna be much use at all. bar against smashing spaa from absolute miles away.
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Using Mavs or GBUs isn’t SEAD. It’s DEAD. When an ARM is in the air the Pantsir would need to turn of its radar and move to a different location or shoot down the missile giving friendly planes time to attack, sure it also has to shoot down mavs but with the mavs you first have to see the pantsir visually while with an ARM you fire it either in the rough direction or use its search function. One might also consider the addition of the TALD but idk how useful it would be considering the small ranges on a WT map
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