Panavia Tornado (UK versions) - Technical data and discussion

[Morvran]

Yeah, both are playable

GR1 can be tricky because you are dealing with MLDs at a lower BR and Redfor is quite strong at that BR with Bluefor not really being played much until the 12.0 bracket but it’s certainly playable. Seagles are quite good fun to mess about with too

GR4 is fine, Bluefor is quite strong at 12.3 and the FLIR is quite handy. Plus the better defensive suite does help quite a bit. Might be a tad over BRed these days, but certainly playable in ASB. If/when we get Brimstones, they’ll be fun to mess about with and we can finally get vengeance on the convoys.

So TLDR, you cant really go wrong at the moment with either.

[Morvran]

11.3/11.7 is rather dominated by Redfor

12.3/12.7 Bluefor is quite strong. (Though I usually found in the 12.7 lobbies that it was premium F18s Vs premium F18s constantly)

So actually the GR4 is probably the easier of the 2 at the moment

But you also have aircraft with better radars so terrain masking is harder… So flip flops quite often

[Morvran]

Not that you really want to ever fire a 9M in HOBS 🤣

[MatrixRupture]

I see Tornado lacking brimstone is laughable.

I think I’ll try the Gr.1 for now. At least you can out run everything.

[Morvran]

For the most part. yeah.

Except the Mig-23s, which are faster, especially if you are running a lot of fuel, which I recommend always running max + tanks

[Morvran]

Ooooh, was just having a read through the changelog again and if im not mistaken this change should be pretty good for the Tornado

@Stona_WT

The failure of the rudder and elevator control cables in aircraft is no longer dependent on the tearing off of the stabilizer surfaces, rudders, or vertical stabilizers, allowing control of the remaining elevator or rudder elements to be maintained. Control rods can still be disabled by directly destroying the control rod components themselves or by disabling them through tail separation.

If this does what I think it does. The Tornado should no longer become a totally unflyable brick with any damage to the elevators.

[MatrixRupture]

@Morvran

If this does what I think it does. The Tornado should no longer become a totally unflyable brick with any damage to the elevators.

But it’s a brick even with them lol.

[Morvran]

It puts the F-104 to shame with even the slightest damage

iirc, the Tornado should actually be quite a tanky aircraft, lots of redundancy, but its easily one of the most fragile aircraft I fly reguarly

[MatrixRupture]

Meanwhile the F-5 tanking 1000 lbs bomb shrapnel, 5 30mm HE rounds and a 9L detonation like nothing happened.

[Morvran]

Yeah… the F-5 survivability is just dumb

[MatrixRupture]

Yes I have an F-5E now and I can confirm it’s just goofy.

And the flight performance is just as goofy. Can’t be touched by anything at 11.0 basically.

[Mafiat_595]

Depends on where I get hit in my experience, I’ve taken some insane damage and kept flying just with the elevons and basically no wings. Other times I get grazed in the fuselage and it falls out of the sky

[Morvran]

I find with the Tornado specifically 2 main problem areas for “partial damage”

1. I take a hit, any hit, to any where on fuselage and I loose 1/3 of my engine power, if not more, Even on max reheat the best speed I can achieve is like mach 0.8

2. Any damage to the elevators locks them up, resulting in nearly no pitch control. Ive got a clip of this not that far above, 1 elevator is black but attached, no other discernable damage, but alas, no control, even from the remaining undamaged elevator.

but yeah, i’ve landed some pretty damaged tonkas before too. Once lost part of my wing, managed to evade the F-4S that shot it off, when he noticed me running gave chase, I dodged his missile but went into a flat spin, so peeled off, I recovered, he gave chase again and eventually i made it back to base. Was hilarious recoverying from that flat spin with only half a wing

But ultimately, War Thunders Damage model for aircraft need replacing at this point

[Tea_And_Country]

Dont know what they keep doing to our aircraft but they keep making it so when you get a yellow elevator itll lock up and not allow you to pull more than a g. The sea vixen never had this problem when it was first introduced but it was then added later on. Same thing happens on the tonkas.

[Morvran]

Which is why im hoping the above changes linked from the update changelog might hopefully fix it

[shum_tingwong-psn]

This iron dome meta is getting out of hand 😅

[Tea_And_Country]

How… Im assuming they locked your brimstone and not the other way round. But still, how the hell did it go for that and not you or anything else?

[shum_tingwong-psn]

Sometimes the brimstones just miss when engaging head on so i thought id spam a few to increase my chances. One happened to intercept it and the other made it to target 😅

[Iithilien]

I forgot but I’m asking for future reference, whats the maximum total amount of ALARM’s the GR1/GR4 can carry?

[Flame2512]

They can carry 9