I like SuperTemps more, because they are faster at the relevant ranges. You don’t want to fire too early or too late.
What ranges are those? Ill agree that up close the skyflash is better as its not so heavy and can actually manoeuvre for those sub 4km shots. But anything further than that and i would much rather have 7f which is where i want to be firing in a tonka. I prefer to fly high and launch 25km missiles against targets who are not paying attention.
I’ve had quite good success firing at about 15km-20km. But if the target is ignoring me. then i’ll wait till more like 10km.
Yeah, but at those ranges the 7m would get their much quicker and have alot more energy. Its why i still prefer flying out my ej kai than my tornado. The 7ms are just that good, especially coming from the skyflash.
If I can, I’ll fire under 12 km. I don’t play that much Tornado ADV nowadays, but that is how I played it (and the Italian variant).
haha, no… not even close.
To use current BRs as a comparison.
The Tornado F3 on arrival was at most 11.3. Its radar barely worked, it was buggy, it barely flew and would fall apart at the slightest turn and the MP meta just prevented you from really doing much.
After it got a massive radar buff, and the airframe could actually do things like turn and the game breaking bugs were fixed (took about 3-6 months for most of that ) it was an okay 11.7.
(then we had the BOL nerf at the start of 2024 which hobbled it greatly)
But due to the IR + Multipathing meta, you were DOA the moment and F-16 or Mig-29 decided to kill you.
In July 2024, with the crap FM finally being partially overhauled and the MP reduced to 60m, we finally got match presence and now its a decent 12.0. Though still not the 12.3/12.7 equivalent to any of the F-16s.
To claim that the Tornado F3 was the equal to the F-16 is just insane. Especially for its entire first year
Otherwise I can just say the US doesnt need anything stronger at top tier because the F-16 is the equal to the Typhoon.
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it was the real life counterpart to the F-16A ADF, more missiles but worse FM. for this im not counting bugs, when they released youd be right
asking for stuff 20 years newer to deal with the F-15C but against US receiving its contemporaries?
Tornado F3 at max strength (which we dont even really have in game yet) vs an F-16A might… and I mean… might be a semi-fair fight.
but to claim that “britain didnt need anything to stronger to fight the F-16 and Mig-29 in 2023 because they had the Torando F3” is nonsense
It was the US Mains that said the Typhoon can only be added when the US got the F-15C MSIP II.
they made that claim constantly…
So…
maybe an AESA F-15C, they were wrong if they were referring to an 80’s MSIP II which is effectively what we have except for HMD which doesnt even pair well with its missiles
They said F-15C MSIP II and given no one was expecting AESA as early as we got… I doubt they meant anything other than M-Scan.
Though When they got the F-15C MSIP II, they changed it to the F-15E. When they got the F-15E they changed it to the F-18E. probably would have been F-22 after that if it hadnt come
then they were wrong, the f18e would honestly be worse than the f15e.
Created a few new reports;
[tornado_gr4] Incorrect Weight TERMA Countermeasure Pod
Spoiler
Issue
The TERMA Countermeasure pod found on tornado_gr4 is alittle too light.
Correct weight loaded is 286kg
Affected Vehicle
- tornado_gr4
Sources
TERMA - Modular Countermeasures Pod for Fighter Aircraft;
2016-09-22 TERMA - Modular Countermeasures Pod for Fighter Aircraft.pdf
[tornado_gr4] Missing RWR/MAW Sensor Fusion
Spoiler
Issue
Presently the tornado_gr4 is missing its sensor fusion with the TERMA countermeasure pod. The integration into Tornado GR4 includes the ALQ-213(V) controller which directly interfaces with the aircraft RWR and its AN/AAR-57 MAW sensors.
Affected Vehicle
- tornado_gr4
Sources
TERMA AN/ALQ-213(V) brochure covers the Integration with the RWR;
TERMA MCP Brochure covers the AN/ALQ-213(V) is part of the Tornado installation;
[tornado_gr4] Incorrect Number of TERMA Countermeasure Pod
Spoiler
Issue
The tornado_gr4 is currently able to carry 2x TERMA countermeasure pods, this is incorrect only one maybe be carried on the left wing.
Affected Aircraft
- tornado_gr4
Sources
TERMA Brochure
“Modular Countermeasures Pod for Fighter Aircraft”
“Pods Per Aircraft 1”
So the max pods is 1x, its alittle too light, but it should also integrate with the RWR and other onboard systems. So should have the same Sensor Fusion as similar IR/UV MAW+RWR combos like AH-64 and Rafale.
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Finally some possibly love for the GR.4
Is there a report or suggestion in at all for a TERMA that has only the 1.5" flares instead of the 1" ones? I’d personally prefer 120 large flares over 240 regular ones especially when we have BOL and BOZ
Nope seems more suited to the forum, as we don’t currently have bin customization.
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Not as like a customisation thing but literally as a different version of the pod like how you can pick a different bomb for example.
GR.1A gets the targeting pod though, which makes laser weapons actually useable. The laser weapons on the Su-22M3 are simply impossible to use.
Me when I use my GBU’s in ARB against the aircraft pulling 9G’s at 500 knots.
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Btw I actually checked the flight manuals for the Phantom FG.1 and FGR.2 to see if they had napalm, but neither manual included external stores limitations for some reason.
But maybe @Gunjob knows more
