Panavia Tornado (UK versions) - Technical data and discussion

[TheManyFacedSOD]

The only thing that would reduce the pain of this aircraft would be 13.0

ASRAAM would just put it in the same place as it is now because of how gaijin balances ordinance, it would probably be only 0.3 Br lower than the typhoon when it eventually comes. Don’t forget it lacks HMD which basically everyone else has and so it would not be as potent.

The problem is it should be 13.0 Br but isn’t because reasons, the same reasons fg.1 and fgr 2 are still 12.0

[Gunjob]

tornado_f3 has its proper RHWR display now;

I’ve checked the others are planned to get it as well, just waiting on an update.

[Killer_Hobbit]

Just watched MatAWG’s video testing the Brimstones on the GR4 ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZDOzIDrSKI ) .

Oh lads, I think we’re going to be waiting some time before it’s worth the effort :'(

[Morvran]

Yep, it’s a hit and run weapon only, not a stand off weapon. Don’t try to use it like one. For that use PGMs or ePaveways.

[Morvran]

so after Smin confirmed the GR1 doesnt have Mk103 engines because of the GR4, Ive created a dev thread for it

Tornado Gr1 - Mk101 engines for confusing reasons

Since its introduction way back in December 2022, the Tornado Gr1 has had Mk101 engines where all other Tornado IDSs have Mk103 engines. This has always been challenged because the GR1 did use the Mk103 and this was always described as a balancing decision. However, today we have seen the F-15E get a similar nerf and then Gaijin reverting that decision to give it better buffs. In asking if others would get this fix, some surprising revelations have appeared The reasoning behind the GR1 not ha…

[Flame2512]

Please support the Tornado GR.4 getting its missing BOL countermeasures:

Tornado GR.4 Missing BOL Countermeasures

poll We’re now well into the dev server and there is still no sign of BOL countermeasures being added to the Tornado GR.4. For those unaware BOL is the countermeasures dispenser built into the missile Launch rails on the Tornado F.3, and some other aircraft. Each BOL rail can hold 160 countermeasures, meaning they would increase the GR.4’s countermeasure load by 320. I feel the addition of these dispensers are important as they are one of the key advantages the Tornado GR.4 had over the GR.1 in…

[FlyingOstridge]

Now we just need them to fix BOL.

[Morvran]

Worth giving it a shot anyway

Tornado IDS - Air Battle Rating

As it currently stands in game, we have 6x Tornado IDS aircraft which have virtually identical performance within the air modes. Those are Britain: Tornado Gr1 at 11.7 Italy: Tornado IDS (A200) at 11.3 Tornado IDS (1995) (A200A) at 11.7 Germany: Tornado MFG at 11.3 Tornado WTD61 at 11.3 Tornado ASSTA1 at 11.7 The only difference of note between the 3 at 11.3 and the 3 at 11.7 is the inclusion of a targeting pod and GBUs. These weapons have no notable effect on effeciency or performanc…

[Morvran]

Thought of a tactic to make use of the Brimstones in a FnF capacity.

Take them alongside PGMs. If you see a Pantsir, start by firing off 5 or 6 towards the Pantsir, followed by a PGM. Then turn cold. The Pantsir will expend missiles intercepting the Brimstones which are guiding via pure IOG allowing the PGM to kill the target. Doesn’t even matter if the brimstones are out of range either. They’ve done their job hopefully and the decoyed Pantsir long enough for the PGM to get a kill.

Dump flares and chaff at the same time just to really screw the Pantsir

[Fluffy_Bucketles]

So much effort to use a weapon in a capacity it should be fine in, when you can just take a harrier and be done with it. 😿

[GothFemboyHooter]

I cant see this working when he could just focus on the big smokey bomb rather than try and get each individual brimstone. That is unless it confuses the radar a tad?

Also, just an idea but have we checked to see if the drift is random or consistent? Does it drop a specific amount depending on its speed and height, because if so we can sort of guesstimate how much drop it would have to get at least a somewhat accurate launch on pantsirs. Would cause it to at least hide for a second to get an accurate brim on its way.

[Morvran]

Random I think, and my hope is that it will just be hard to lock onto the right target

[GothFemboyHooter]

Shame really when a10c’s have apkws to do the exact same thing.

[Stockholm_Blend]

Just wondering about Tornado F.3 AOP(AKA Tornado F.3 Late.)

We already had inferior SHAr FA.2 at 13.0 while USA/ITA had their AV-8B+ at 13.0.
and we now have luftwaffe’s F-4F KWS LV(F-4F ICE) at 13.0
Also, we will now have JA37DI at 13.0 for both regular and premium.

Plus, We will go to face Superior F-15E/I with an insane thrust ratio which will be an even worse opponent than F-15C at 13.7.

While Tornado F.3 Late is gonna stay 13.3 forevermore.
is there any point in playing Tornado F.3 Late at this moment?

I believe Gaijin is overestimating the effectiveness of BOL when combined with a proper RWR. :/

[DevilO6]

@Stockholm_Blend

Tornado F.3 CSP

AOP. You shall not say CSP ever again or im going to curse your family for eternity.

[Stockholm_Blend]

@DevilO6

im going to curse your family for eternity.

oh, sorry mate going to edit original post asap :'(

Edit: edited Xd

[DevilO6]

I hope so.

[Serkay64]

Really hoping for the Tornado F.3 to also go down to 13.0 (and maybe the J-11A to 13.3)

[Morvran]

Basically, no. It’s the weakest 13.3 by quite a margin at this point. Would be fine with fixed BOL and Phimat pods, but with essentially no CMs.its a chore to play.

Absolutely no justification for it remaining at 13.3

[Stockholm_Blend]

@Morvran_

Would be fine with fixed BOL and Phimat pods

Hopes that comes quickly…
really.

For now, It seems there is no reason to play with her unless you are on the ‘having body-pillow of Panavia tornado’ level.
feels like the Good points of Tornado ADV vanished, but keeps all of the bad points.
I also like Tornado but this seems beyond over than my threshold :'(

Still better than [not implemented at all] status, Just like JA37DI though.

@Stockholm_Blend

While Tornado F.3 Late is gonna stay 13.3 forevermore.

@Morvran_

Absolutely no justification for it remaining at 13.3

Sorry, it was half joking with hyperbole.
erm… but still, we have some planes stuck in painful BR for a long time due to [not enough statistics for buff or nerf]. MB 162 or French B-26C might be an example maybe?
I am just worrying a bit about Tornado F.3 Late becoming one of that kind. :|