He cant bomb them while being 100% safe. That is why he calls them op.
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Simple skill issue on your end.
XD he took the bait
And you believe baiting people is conductive of productive and good faith discussions, which is what this forum is for?
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Brotha you have been complaining this entire time. You have no counter argument, you’re only on the forums to spread insults.
Missile guides itself so it’s missile’s issue.
I would understand if you were to complain about Type 81 missiles, but you somehow ended up complaining about really shitty ones lol.
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I asked you a question because I am looking to understand your position. I would like you to answer the question please.
As for my counter argument you can find it here:
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None of those are even counter arguments. Me 163 and Ki 200 have nothing to do with this discussion, ZSU-23-4M4 is also undertiered, and you didn’t even address the fact that Gepard 1A2 and Ozelot are being placed against planes with no ballistics computers, no guided weapons, no counter measures, and literally nothing to set em apart from WW2 CAS.
Clearly it’s the missiles fault for failing if I launch an Aim-9B at a guy 3 miles away whilst stalling.
Your original post says they face WW2 aircraft, the Me163 and Ki-200 are the only WW2 aircraft they face.
What sets them apart from WW2 CAS is higher speed and better high speed maneuverability. Which is a notable buff compared to WW2 aircraft.
If the ZSU-23-4M4 is undertiered as you allege then why is this the only time you mention it? Especially considering it sits at a lower BR and should be a more egregious offense by your logic.
You also still have dodged this question:
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Being a little faster doesn’t mean they should be pinned against SAMs.
Its missiles and guns are weaker, and its not the topic of this discussion. I also don’t know what point you’re tryna make with this. Are you trying to say I’m biased towards Russia?
They can maneuver more effectively to dodge and at distance can outrun the SAM.
I made no such implications. I’m simply just curious as to why it is specifically Stingers that are the issue.
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A P-40 can dodge a stinger, does that mean it should be put in the same battles as them?
The whole point of CAS is that its lower reward, but for far lower risk than a tank. At 8.7, it’s lower reward, but for higher risk than a tank.
Stingers are the most powerful, and most common to come across. Not only that, Ozelot and Gepard 1A2 are far better platforms than any other SAM carrier at their BR, as Ozelot is tiny and hard to spot, and Gepard 1A2 has very good guns.
Also, it’d be pretty goofy to complain about something like Santal, Matchbet, or PGZ04A when I never see em ingame.
A P-40 is not effectively balanced against a Stinger, which is why aircraft that are significantly more capable than the P-40 are.
The whole point of an uptier is to create a scenario in which your vehicle is at a disadvantage towards those of a higher BR, which in turn is why those vehicles have higher BRs.
If I were to hypothetically say that the German and British Eurofighters are OP but not the Italian one because I never see the Italian one that would be very nonsensical.
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Same for something like F-86F-2. F-85 is not effectively balanced against a stinger.
And normally, uptiered tanks cost less to spawn and downtiered tanks cost more to spawn, but when it comes to SPAA and aircraft, uptier/downtier doesn’t effect SP cost.
It depends on if the Italian one is different.
Except your argument is that you never see them, not how they perform.
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Matchbet, Santal, and the chinese thing are all, infact, different from Geppy 1A2 and the furry SAM launcher. There’s no reason to assume that since tank (A) is overpowered, that tank (B), which is entirely unique and I’ve never encountered it, is also overpowered.
Subjective based on your opinion.
That is because a 1k lbs bomb destroys a rank 1 SPAA and a rank 8 SPAA in the exact same manor.
It only does not have LWS, so is it hypothetically not OP because I do not see it?
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You need to actually get the bomb to the SPAA in the first place, and do so without dying.
Well if it’s a worse plane, and there’s no evidence that its OP (paper stats don’t mean shit), then called it OP would be disingenuine, same goes for SPAA, except in this case the differences between the different SAM launchers are larger.
Which is where airframe capability comes into play and is why faster and more agile airframes are a higher BR than those that are not.
It is quite literally the exact same thing, just without a semi-irrelevant feature that has zero use in air battles. Not calling it OP in this scenario would be directly contradicting my point regarding the other variations being OP. So it is not disingenuous.
Saying “well I don’t see it so it can’t be OP” is a horrible take. Imagine if I put a Leopard 2A7V at 1.0 but you could never see it. It would obviously be OP but according to you it is not because you don’t see it.
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It most definitely does
First image: full uptier 672 to spawn in a plane, 70 to spawn spaa
Second image: full dontier 756 to spawn in a plane, 110 to spawn spaa
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Yes, they should be higher BR, but they shouldn’t face SAMs.
If people wouldn’t be able to encounter a Leo 2A7V at 1.0, if it was put at 1.0, then it wouldn’t be put at 1.0, it would be removed.