Your original post says they face WW2 aircraft, the Me163 and Ki-200 are the only WW2 aircraft they face.
What sets them apart from WW2 CAS is higher speed and better high speed maneuverability. Which is a notable buff compared to WW2 aircraft.
If the ZSU-23-4M4 is undertiered as you allege then why is this the only time you mention it? Especially considering it sits at a lower BR and should be a more egregious offense by your logic.
You also still have dodged this question:
Being a little faster doesn’t mean they should be pinned against SAMs.
Its missiles and guns are weaker, and its not the topic of this discussion. I also don’t know what point you’re tryna make with this. Are you trying to say I’m biased towards Russia?
They can maneuver more effectively to dodge and at distance can outrun the SAM.
I made no such implications. I’m simply just curious as to why it is specifically Stingers that are the issue.
A P-40 can dodge a stinger, does that mean it should be put in the same battles as them?
The whole point of CAS is that its lower reward, but for far lower risk than a tank. At 8.7, it’s lower reward, but for higher risk than a tank.
Stingers are the most powerful, and most common to come across. Not only that, Ozelot and Gepard 1A2 are far better platforms than any other SAM carrier at their BR, as Ozelot is tiny and hard to spot, and Gepard 1A2 has very good guns.
Also, it’d be pretty goofy to complain about something like Santal, Matchbet, or PGZ04A when I never see em ingame.
A P-40 is not effectively balanced against a Stinger, which is why aircraft that are significantly more capable than the P-40 are.
The whole point of an uptier is to create a scenario in which your vehicle is at a disadvantage towards those of a higher BR, which in turn is why those vehicles have higher BRs.
If I were to hypothetically say that the German and British Eurofighters are OP but not the Italian one because I never see the Italian one that would be very nonsensical.
Same for something like F-86F-2. F-85 is not effectively balanced against a stinger.
And normally, uptiered tanks cost less to spawn and downtiered tanks cost more to spawn, but when it comes to SPAA and aircraft, uptier/downtier doesn’t effect SP cost.
It depends on if the Italian one is different.
Except your argument is that you never see them, not how they perform.
Matchbet, Santal, and the chinese thing are all, infact, different from Geppy 1A2 and the furry SAM launcher. There’s no reason to assume that since tank (A) is overpowered, that tank (B), which is entirely unique and I’ve never encountered it, is also overpowered.
Subjective based on your opinion.
That is because a 1k lbs bomb destroys a rank 1 SPAA and a rank 8 SPAA in the exact same manor.
It only does not have LWS, so is it hypothetically not OP because I do not see it?
You need to actually get the bomb to the SPAA in the first place, and do so without dying.
Well if it’s a worse plane, and there’s no evidence that its OP (paper stats don’t mean shit), then called it OP would be disingenuine, same goes for SPAA, except in this case the differences between the different SAM launchers are larger.
Which is where airframe capability comes into play and is why faster and more agile airframes are a higher BR than those that are not.
It is quite literally the exact same thing, just without a semi-irrelevant feature that has zero use in air battles. Not calling it OP in this scenario would be directly contradicting my point regarding the other variations being OP. So it is not disingenuous.
Saying “well I don’t see it so it can’t be OP” is a horrible take. Imagine if I put a Leopard 2A7V at 1.0 but you could never see it. It would obviously be OP but according to you it is not because you don’t see it.
It most definitely does
First image: full uptier 672 to spawn in a plane, 70 to spawn spaa
Second image: full dontier 756 to spawn in a plane, 110 to spawn spaa
Yes, they should be higher BR, but they shouldn’t face SAMs.
If people wouldn’t be able to encounter a Leo 2A7V at 1.0, if it was put at 1.0, then it wouldn’t be put at 1.0, it would be removed.
And why is that? These jets face AIM-9Bs and stingers only pull slightly more than AIM-9Bs.
I said specifically you, other people still see it, just not you. Yet according to you it’s not OP because you cannot see it.
Except being 2-3x as fast at any given point, and thus not WW2 aircraft.
You can endlessly dodge Stingers if you aren’t a bot.
F-86 can endlessly dodge Stingers.
Stingers are all aspect, pull far more than Aim-9Bs, and spawning with stingers costs only a fraction of the cost.
I’m not following your logic here. Are you trying to say that invisible tanks would be fair and balanced?
I would not consider 3gs ‘far more’ but ok.
I think he is talking about air rb
They are launched from a 0kph starting speed and pull 3Gs more, combined with the fact that you are looking for them you should be able to see the smoke trail.
To hit a target maneuvering at 7gs a stinger would have to pull 20gs, which it cannot do. Are you able to pull 7Gs?
I’m trying to say paper stats are worth something even if you don’t face them. Making these vehicles balanced towards their counterparts, even if you see their counterparts less often.
“I see you’re pretty dull. The problem isn’t dodging Fim-92s, the problem is actually serving as CAS, when there’s an Ozelot around.”
How dare the SPAA do its job?? There are extremly few WW2 planes at those BRs and even fewer people using the ME-163 in ground battles. Its not like the Stingers are all that hard to beat as long as you have energy and speed
And have longer range.
cries in F-84F
the difference between a stinger and something like a SANTAL is pretty large.
Well shame on me for wanting to actually use a vehicle.
