These all were prototypes derived from the same hull at the same time as the ELC AMX’s development (they were both made to answer the same government program). They could be really fun vehicles between 7.0-8.3, and would surely be accompanied by some hype due to the already big notoriety of the ELC even 90 in wot. Plus the fact they practically use the same hull would make all four variants somewhat easy to make with a bit of copy-paste.
@panzerknoef how could you not put them in the rat category:( (Joking)
As a low rank player, I want to bring up that there is equally huge missing potential of the French low ranks.
There is basically no line-up potential between 1.3 to 2.3 using only TT vehicles, and Rank II and III are a bit lacking in domestic vehicles. The former issue is particularly egregious since the overwhelming majority of French ground vehicles produced during the 30s and early 40s fit within neatly within the first two ranks, with plenty of vehicles to spare for premiums and events.
This update has been one of the better ones for WW2 enjoyers, so I’m surprised they didn’t even add a single low rank French tank or something.
Who talked about a new Leo2A4? He was talking about the M24 that could fill a gap in the tech tree. And even if you were talking about the EMBT 2018, it is still different with the Leclerc turret.
And you surely didn’t know that a lot of vehicles of this era were still missing in the game : R40, B1 variants, in-between wars prototypes, ww2 German captured vehicles (some even French vehicles at the origin, modified by Germans), UK leased vehicles, etc… Be constructive please.
These ones could be great IMO, like the all the 105 versions, etc… But they shouldn’t be overshadowing other vehicles too.
You must misred what i wrote. It was an examle of “Non existent and not needed”.
No, im sure that early war prototypes such as R40 are just not worth it.
Inbetween prototypes mostly ended on the B1Ter, if we of course dont count the inhumane amount of R35-alikes most of which wont even fit 1.0 BR at this game.
which are copypaste slop and not needed
which are copypaste slop, some of which already plagued the french tree.
So do you. Im being honest with myself and all around, most of the stuff that France created during midwar is already at rank 1 and 2, and more than half of what isnt ingame yet wont even be a br 1.0 material. Surely i woud love to see some interesting prorotypes of Panhard for example, and im vouching for it in my first message.
Honestly, I don’t think German, UK and US vehicles would be copy paste slop. If France used them, I think France Should have them. Because they would fill gaps where there isn’t true French tanks (as you said, for ww2 era for example as you said). Some had long active service in France despite being foreign designs, like tha Chaffee as said above, the M-8 (ww2-indochina war), etc…
Foreign designs are in some way a large part of France from ww2 to mid Cold War, so yes we should have them.
Of those four two would end up 2.0-3.0 and one would be 1.3 material max, yes. And one is unarmed gosh.
So the reasoning is: “they wont be copypaste because they are copypaste but france doesnt have them”? Idk i am always against copypaste, especially when there are alternatives (even ingame, the Amx-M24 is esixtent). Filling the “gaps” with creation of never lineups of copypastes is not the way.
You skipped the part where I said these vehicles would fill blanks in the french techtree and that they would be useful (france only has two 3.7 tech tree vehicles for example, so not enough for a 3.7 lineup). It’s even the name of Panzerknoef’s third topic in case you also forgot to read the main topic of this discussion :
yes, that was the point. Back in the day france was small enough to have only unique techs, which made it both small enough to not get bored on early ranks and fast to grind really interesting UNIQUE machines of after-ww2. What`s the point of making the tree bigger with copypaste? Just to, like, be bigger? If it doesnt have the 3.7 lineup - okay then, skip it, its a good thing.
I don’t really think it’s a good thing, because not having a proper lineup isn’t a good thing for new F2P players grinding the tree. A proper lineup at 3.7 would be useful because all that’s in between 2.7 and 5.3 either have only two vehicles of the same BR or only one (I don’t count premiums because you should’nt have to pas as a new player to have a stable lineup). It would help to have a more “stable” grind for new players and not having having BR jumps at every new vehicle researched. And it could help the bad reputation of the french tech tree at low BRs.
I agree with the post with exception of ‘useful copy-paste’ and EMBT implementation: I chose french tech tree (before BeNeLux) because it was one of the few tech trees that were genuinely unique, Gaijin then added BeNeLux with absolutely nothing new because I thought sub-tech trees were added to fill some gap, in the contrary BeNeLux just made more with the Leopard 2A4NL and Leopard 2A5NL without proper line-up for their respective battle rating and Leopard 2A6NL that is just mediocre because there’s 4 Leclerc to choose.
EMBT in my opinion could be added as a transition from late main battle tanks to experimental, tech demonstrator or state-of-the-art technology with more powerful guns, more advanced armor and arguably superior to anything players can have access to in War Thunder ground vehicles selections. Although is just a Leclerc turret into a late Leopard chassis, penetrators like SHARD since it can both shoot from Leopards and Leclerc cannons’ to make this and other similar vehicles competitive with more advanced tech. I’m just wondering when Gaijin will be adding such vehicles, at this pace maybe late 2028.
