Whose death though?
By the time you reach 30km and finally see the stealth aircraft, it’s been observing you the entire time leading up to that point.
There would probably be several incoming missiles before you reach 30km
The target of the F22.
Yeah also adds costs so it only really used if really needed
EFT went though testing with TVC and it was found it wasn’t worth it
It will be interesting to see how the various European next-gen fighter programs go
What makes the Eurocanards great?
Only because Gaijin arbitrarily restrict the ordnance, stores, and functionality of implemented airframes, and completely ignore entire airframe linages(USAF Homeland Defense Interceptors (F86D through F-106), or B-57G Tropic Moon III etc.) and they don’t even reciprocate with reasonable and consistent stances on the configuration that has even been implemented, or the addition of existing stores or features where proven in a timely manor.
The US F-4E for example even though it mounts the GBU-15(V)1/B which demarks it as at least a DMAS equipt aircraft, (Block 48 or later airframe), can’t get access to the;
- GBU-15(V)2/B (present on the Barack II, has a Thermal seeker instead of Contrast)
- AIM-9P-4( -9J’s don’t have all Aspect capability so is at a massive disadvantage vs vs R-60M / R-23 & -24T slingers that are common to its BR and lower) or the -9L its counterpart.
- AN/ASX-1 TISEO (present in game on the Kurnass 2000) would confer limited LD/SD capability for the AIM-7 since the AN/APQ-120 is missing Automated relock (CCA) features.
- AN/AVQ-23 Pave Spike (is present on the Kurnass 2000 & Buccaneer S.2B) which would provide the ability to self designate and so provide the capacity to carry various Laser guided bombs.
F-8s are still missing their ACM mode
They won’t make the F-4C into an F-4B or F-4D to allow it to carry flares or an IR jamming pod (AN/AAQ-8).
Additionally things like the GPU-5/A 30mm gunpod (or the ATLIS II TGP) for the US F-16A-10 still hasn’t turned up even though I reported it when it was on the dev server (let alone the same pod for the F-15A which was refused for reasons, even though sufficient documentation was provided at least they will probably accept it for the F-15E whenever it turns up).
Similar Reports also exist for the AV-8A and the GAU-12 pod(as found on the AV-8B+ in the Italian tree) and the A-4E and the GPU-2/A (as found on the AH-1W), with the latter refused because we couldn’t prove explicitly that the aircraft in the video was an upgraded A-4E(later fitted with the hump ) or an A-4F, even though it was proved the unit in question operated both at the time.
I can’t be all to bothered to list out all of the Domestic ordnance (both that that is implemented and those that are not) that is missing from the F-16C-50 either, don’t forget that all of this also happens to be domestic for US airframes as well.
That they tend to use more advanced ordnance and electronics, simply because they tend not to do the necessary exploratory R&D, to actually develop novel systems and concepts, but put a lot of work into making a better systems, where the US finds something that works and then uses economy of scale to leverage a lower Unit cost, and has a tendency to repackage failed / canceled projects into others, like the seekers from the AIM-9R and AIM-7R being reused for respective variants of the AIM-9X and RIM-162, or the ASG-18 / GAR-9 transferring from the F-108 > A-12 > F-111B > F-14A to become the AWG-9 & AIM-54, or the sheer number of times various Sidewinder components, the AIM-65D seeker or Walleye datalink were reused or iterated on.
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This would be insanely dumb anyway, just add a separate variant.
The Thing is that the F-4C is apparently hard to balance since it’s a Hard wing F-4, with no flares (and a sub par missile selection) so does well in down tiers, but very poorly in up tiers.
Replacing it with a different variant solves the issue. also implementing the AAQ-8 is the other option.
Image is of an F-4D, but is equipt with the AAQ-8.
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Decompression solves the F-4C’s problem. It can also simply receive 7Es as well along with decompression if need be
The cannards allows for greater manouverability and Even allows some crazy manouvers depending on how they are set due to them moving the flow of air in front of the plane in different ways it may be eithe by moving them up allowing more air resiatance in the front and hence making it turn faster, but for the most part it allows for hard pulls and turning
Canards have their use but that wasn’t my question. Sure, the Typhoon and Rafale may be better than the F15 and the F16 but they are newer designs. Was the Typhoon better relative to its expected opposition when it was released than the F15 was when it was released? I’m genuinely asking, because the F15 came out and shattered records. What records has the Typhoon broken?
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My god the only other plane that rivals it in performance is a F22
It is a very good plane
typhoon was made to be a plane easy to modify so numerous clients could have different versions of it, what made the typhoon better wasnt only systems and airframe, the fact that it was cheaper to repair in certain areas due to it being easier to take appart and some stuff were relatively simple, not only that the typhoon is set as one of the most manouverable planes in existance, the lack of thrust vectoring is not bad it just means the engines are cheaper than thrust vectoring ones and more simple.
As for records the typhoon has been set as the most manouverable plane around the world, and its a multi role fighter wich means it can do all kind of jobs depending on what you give it, and is the plane with the highest climb rate among them all, and has gained the love of a lot of pilots due to its great versatility, the typhoon has also broken records of endurance and range, going on long range missions and not needing refuel on the way there and back
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LOL
Why would you compare the Rafale and EFT to the F-15? By the time either of those showed up the F-15 was a 25 year old plane, one that always excelled at BVR combat.
lol
Here is the suggestion post for F-4B, in case you haven’t seen it already
I’m not arguing that the Typhoon isn’t a good plane. It’s well regarded. I’m replying to the statement that the US builds a lot of good planes, while Europe builds a few great planes. I’m asking what European jets are objectively superior to their American counterparts, from the same era.
For the time period not really
Yes the F22 existed but that plane is only suited to one role
Europe had the best Multirole fighter and best naval fighter for a quite a bit
Comparing the Eurofighter Typhoon to the F-15 isn’t quite fair; the F-22 Raptor is a more suitable comparison. The Eurofighter is a result of a collaboration among several countries, which introduces challenges like production delays. However, this collaboration also brings together a wealth of technology and expertise, making it an outstanding aircraft. Its standout features include its multirole capability and extremely long-range weaponry, all within a highly advanced airframe. Unlike the F-22, which focuses heavily on stealth, the Eurofighter relies primarily on electronic countermeasures for defense. Both aircraft aim to achieve air superiority, but they take different approaches: the Eurofighter emphasizes countermeasures, while the F-22 excels in stealth and is not focused in the multirole task.