So I got a question after this update. And one I wanted to ask on last one.
Firstly Osa SPAA for Soviets, Britain and Italy: Why Soviets need only 260k RP while other two need 300k? Whats the stupid idea? Where are you picking those numbers from?
Stormer-AD, why its on 10.3 when its literally worse than ZSU-23-4M4 at 9.3?
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Why does Germany only need 175k RP.
Must be russian bias.
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The german one is folded with another vehicle so its cheaper the other 3 are not so it doesn’t make since one is cheaper than the others.
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I know it’s folded, fact is it is what it is.
Russia also has more SPAA’s to research to even get to the OSA than Italy and UK.
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Because Yes™.
It’s better actually. You got more missiles, faster if I’m not wrong, reliable IRT, compared to the ZSU-23-4, mobile chassis. Overall is better, you can engage ground targets. No reason to put it at 9.3 along with others.
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Because the Italian and UK Osas are closer to the end of the tech tree and therefore more expensive.
Because it’s not worse.
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Its the only OSA that didnt receive any box skin 😭
It’s even worse when you consider the overall progression of SPAA for Italy compared to the USSR (and sometimes Germany):
Rank V
Italy - Lineups for 7.0-8.0, SPAA for 7.0 only
- ZSU-57-2 - 7.0, 82k RP, 240k SL, large caliber
Germany - Lineups for 7.7-8.0, SPAA for 7.3 only
- Wiesel 1A4 - 7.3, 82k RP, 240k SL, normal caliber
- Luchs A2 - 7.3, 95k RP, 270k SL, normal caliber
USSR - Lineups for 6.7-8.0, SPAA for 7.0-7.7
- ZSU-57-2 - 7.0, 82k RP, 240k SL, large caliber
- ZSU-23-4M2 - 7.3, 95k RP, 270k SL, normal caliber
- ZSU-37-2 - 7.7, 120k RP, 340k SL, radar search and track, somewhat-big caliber
Rank VI
Italy - Lineups for 9.3-9.7, SPAA for 8.0-8.3
- ZSU-23-4 - 8.0, 135k RP, 380k SL, radar search and track, normal caliber
- SIDAM 25 - 8.3, 160k RP, 450k SL, “optronic” track, normal caliber
Germany - Lineups for 8.3-9.3, SPAA for 8.3 only
- Gepard - 8.3, 135k RP, 380k SL, radar search and track, somewhat-big caliber (?)
USSR - Lineups for 8.3-9.3 (or 9.7 with foldered vehicles), SPAA for 8.0-9.3
- ZSU-23-4 - 8.0, 135k RP, 380k SL, radar search and track, normal caliber
- ZSU-23-4M4 - 9.3, 190k RP, 520k SL, radar search and track and IR track for missiles, missiles and normal caliber
Rank VII
Italy - Lineups for 10.7-11.7, SPAA for 9.7-11.3
- SIDAM 25 (Mistral) - 9.7, 260k RP, 710k SL, no search but “optronic” track, missiles and normal caliber
- Osa-AKM - 10.3, 300k RP, 830k SL, radar search and track, missiles
- OTOMATIC - 11.3, 350k RP, 950k SL, radar search and track, large caliber (proxy)
Germany - Lineups for 9.7-10.7 (or 11.0 with VJTF), SPAA for 9.7-10.3
- Ozelot - 9.7, 260k RP, 710k SL, IR track (iirc no search), missiles
- (Optional) Gepard 1A2 - 9.7, 150k RP, 830k SL, radar search and track with IR missile tracking, missiles and somewhat-big caliber
- FlaRakPz 1 - 10.3, 300k RP, 830k SL, IRST search and track, missiles
- (Optional) Osa-AK - 10.3, 175k (350k if not foldered) RP, 950k SL, radar search and track, missiles
USSR - Lineups for 9.7-11.7, SPAA for 10.3-10.7
- Osa-AKM - 10.3, 260k RP, 710k SL, radar search and track, missiles
- Strela-10M2 - 10.3, 300k RP, 830k SL, radar track and IR track for missiles, missiles
- 2S6 - 10.7, 350k RP, 950k SL, radar search and track, missiles and normal-ish caliber guns
Rank VIII
Italy - Lineups for 12.0, SPAA for none
- None
Germany - Lineups for 12.0, SPAA for 11.7 only
- FlaRakRad - 11.7, 400k RP, 1080k SL, radar search and track, missiles
USSR - Lineups for 12.0, SPAA for 12.0
- Pantsir-S1 - 12.0, 400k RP, 1080k SL, radar search and track, missiles and normal-ish caliber guns
Notice how for (virtually) all of the later ranks the USSR has on average better SPAA and their SPAA’s BR matches the BR of the lineups at their rank; meanwhile for Italy half of the ranks don’t have SPAA that match their Rank’s BR, one Rank does match the BR but only due to a single SPAA (that arguably is only worth barely matching the Rank’s lineups), and for the last Rank there just straight up isn’t an SPAA.
It’s better actually. You got more missiles, faster if I’m not wrong, reliable IRT, compared to the ZSU-23-4, mobile chassis. Overall is better, you can engage ground targets. No reason to put it at 9.3 along with others.
Having 500 rounds broken in 2 belts for 25mm minigun vs 2000 rounds in 1 belt for 4 23mm cannons is better? In what universe?
Reliable IRT, maybe, I rely on my hand and eyes to compensate tracking.
I can agree on amount of missiles, though quality is arguable from what I’ve seen and felt.
More mobile platfor yes, but in general I think 23-4M4 is way better than AD.
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Both skinks cost the same rp despite having a different amount of vehicles before them so why does that factor in for the osa. I think they should just folder the russian one with the strela and give it the same cost as the german one if they wanted it to be cheaper. Then it would make sense.
Still better, ZSU-23-4 can only engage air targets at very short ranges compared to other SPAAGs, and with luck up to 1,5 km.
IT has to do with the position of the sam in the tt, normally vehicles that are the last in the line for that tier can have a higher rp and sl requirements for that br, for example the italian lopard 2a4 cost 260k while both the german and swedish ones cost 300k , it does because it the kh41 is behind it while the vehicle next on the others are rank 8, another exaple of this is like why the challenger 3 is actually more expensive than the bn
First of all, AD is at 10.0.
9.3 ZSU is better only in burst mass and gun ammo count. AD has better mobility, radar, shells, missile ammo count and has access to thermals and LRF.
Also, FIM-92K is outright better than 9M39 as it has better speed and G-load while also having a proxy fuse.
Your personal opinions may vary from objective truth.
If ZSU was actually way better than a 10.0 SPAA, I’m sure you’d clap things pretty hard at 9.3 with it, but you don’t. Seems odd.
As opposed to the more maneuverable iglas? Which are actually capable of hitting close tange shots?
Sure but the igla has the unrealistic off rail pull
Which makes it infinetely better at close range
They work better at ranges you’d use your guns at anyways. Especially when you realize that thing has only four missiles and it takes forever to reload.
They’re not more maneuverable, they have the same Wing Area Multipliers and Fin AoA with Stingers having a higher overall G-tolerance and range
It’s not unrealistic, Iglas have Servos to push the missile shortly after launching for lead and with Stingers you can lead the missile yourself as the seeker head is uncaged, and in the case of the Stormer AD; you have a 25mm gatling cannon with IRST lead comp for close range, much better than the Shilka radar lead comp
Open the game and check again about the range. You are wrong.
youre wrong, the iglas are not capable of the insane leading off the rails they do ingame irl, ingame thye can pull up even 60 degress of the rail to hit a moving target, that is not possible, using the servoes and wing deflection.
And miss just about 90% of the time because of the completely gimped maneuverabilty
it does tho, its not even close.
ZSU-23 my love, Iglas are quite nice. And quadruple dakka has a very nice spread. Slow as hell though, I can walk faster.
Does the total amount of missiles even matter now that we have unlimited ammo boxes? The Igla spam may now commence, woe upon all A-10s