Opinions of the state of minor nations in War Thunder Part 2

Not because of the C&P.
The BeNeLux TT is around 70% totally unique.
The only things we have seen for BeNeLux are within the 30% of C&P.

BeNeLux is the only possible standalone TT with a BIG navy - unlike the 2 lines for other proposed TT’s.
Also, BeNeLux has stealth fighters, a very big submarine navy, a big arsenal of attackdrones, unmanned vehicles and a reasonable big sized helicopter TT.

BeNeLux SHOULD have been an independend TT. NO other proposed standalone TT has the equivalant amount of vehicles as BeNeLux. You only reach that size when combining the entire European East-Block together, and even then, you have a very small navy - with no subs - no attack drones, no unmanned vehicles and no stealth fighters.

So not really future proof.

The Gripen is finally balanced, what’s wrong with it?

  • FM is likely underperforming by quite a bit
  • BOL are at less than 1/4 IRL strength (BOL “Flares” should be about the strength of large calibre flares, but with reduced burn time, the chaff should be equal to regular chaff)
  • Missing centre line hardpoint for A2G weapons
  • Missing MAWS
  • Missing a number of miscellaneous items (like voice warning)
  • Missing A2G radar
  • A2A radar might be underperforming

Probably more that Im forgetting. You also have the SAAF one with R-Darters that are notably weaker than the AMRAAM.

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Oh sorry didn’t realize you wanted a 15.0 plane instead

If its a 15.0 plane, then F-15C MSIP II and F-15E should already be at 16.0

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With its old FM and countermeasures it was almost immune to most missiles and was undogfighteable by anything else. It belongs at a higher BR than those.

With the reduction in burn time on the flares and the fact you actually need to run chaff now, that wouldnt happen. You dont exactly see F-15s running 240 regular flares and dropping them at regular intervals to make themselves immune to IR missiles do you

Fake nerfs for the sake of “balance” should never be done. Totally fake, ahisotircal nerfs ruin the game. BOL especially because they applied that change to EVERYTHING that has BOL. Tornado, Viggen, SHar, etc all got screwed by the fact they basically dont have flares or chaff that work. Tornado F3 Late and SHar FA2 and VIggen Di probably all should be more like 12.7 due to the lack of CMs.

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Benelux will only give France copy paste options. Because that is what Gaijin added it for. Specifically so they didn’t have to do work on unique native options for France.

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Funny how F15s are allowed to keep a FM that is overperforming compared to a few documents I’ve read, but the moment Sweden players suggest Gripen be brought up to parity with the most credible sources (in any way) we’re shouted down because “It’d be too good”. *

So much for “Make better things” then.

* Gripen is even under performing compared to the least charitable papers.

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Its just inconcievable to US mains that nations besides the US made good aircraft.

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You see, F-15C and F-16C are pretty accurate to their respective EM and turn rate diagrams. Regarding F-15A and F-16A, they are 100% overperforming and sometimes by quite a bit. The F-16A flight model is just completely nuts; the F-16s in general should not be able to pull over 26 degrees of AOA because it is limited by the FCS. This applies also to the F-16C, but the F-16A with sim controls can easily maneuver safely up to near 40 degrees of AOA with sim controls which it absolutely cannot do in real life. The entire reason why the F-16 has an AOA limiter is because the aerodynamic configuration would mean that past the limit, the F-16 wouldn’t even be able to sustain controlled flight and enter a stall.

So you get funny things such as the F-16s winning a low-speed one-circle fight with the Su-27 Flanker ingame. If the flight models are accurate, the F-15 and the Su-27 would clap the F-16 in that area, but the opposite is true currently.

…Which isn’t modeled because it is simply not compatible with a game where pulling 12Gs is the norm.

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How has Japan gone top

Because Japan suffers the most.
Which i 100% agree with.

Israel faces practically every issue that Japan does but worse

That’s one for the superman that sits in the cockpit, or is it just a drunken Russian pilot.
F16 though… Why should other planes be limited with FM whilst F-16 isn’t, it isn’t to do with pulling 12Gs, its more about the FM, otherwise why is it even a thing in WT?

Japan has a larger playerbase i guess…
But, Israël is second. So it suffers just as much.
With only a 1% difference.

Add Germany to the poll then

You can read the title right?

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