Okb-1 150

[Stuhlfleisch]

• Yes!
• No!

How should it be added?

• Only for USSR!
• Only for Germany!
• For both USSR and Germany!
• I voted no!

The OKB-1 Baade 150 was a heavy frontline-bomber developed by German ex. Junkers engineer Brunolf Baade for testing purposes and evaluation by the USSR.
In the aftermath of WW2, the USSR had seized many German R&D facilities, and shipped the found documents and engineers to the Soviet Union to conduct their own research and development. Among them, Junkers engineer Brunolf Baade was assigned to OKB-1, the foreign aeroplane research and developmnent department which was tasked with experimenting on new jet-bomber designs.

Out of the program, three prototypes emerged; the OKB-1 131 light frontline-bomber, the OKB-1 140 medium frontline-bomber, and the OKB-1 150 heavy frontline-bomber. The OKB-1 150 specifically was designed by Brunolf Baade, who, after being repatriated to East Germany in 1953, would go on to use the design of the 150 to create the Baade 152 passenger airliner for East Germany, essentially being the civillian version of the Baade 150.

Brunolf Baade with a scale-model of the Baade 152, 1957.

The Baade 150 was designed from 1948 to 1952 as a frontline support-bomber, capable of both strategic and tactical bombardments of enemy positions and facilities at or behind a potential frontline. The plane was larger than both the OKB-1 131 and 140, being only a bit smaller than it’s spiritual successor, the Tu-16, which was developed partially from data collected from the OKB-1 program.

The OKB-1 150 had it’s first flight on the 5th September 1952, and the last, 17th flight, was conducted on the 9th of May 1953, when the plane balloned and crashed on the runway from a height of roughly 10 meters. The damages were never repaired, OKB-1 was dissolved and all German engineers were repatriated to East Germany.

Images of the OKB-1 Baade 150

Blueprints

Early concepts

Baade 150 compared to Baade 152

Sh-23 cannon

Уголок неба ¦ Ш-3-23 23-мм авиационная пушка

Baade 152

Specifications:

Crew: 5 (pilot, co-pilot, bombing-officer, 2x gunners)
Length: 26,74m
Wingspan: 24,1m
Height: 7,6m
Empty weight: 26.100kg
Gross weight: 47.000kg
Powerplant: 2x Lyulka TR-3A, later renamed to Lyulka AL-5 in 1950 (49.05 kN thrust each)
Top-speed: 970 kph
Range: 4.500km
Endurance: 5h 36min
Service-ceiling: 12.500m
Armament: 1x forward-facing Sh-23 23mm cannon, 2x Sh-23 in dorsal turret, 2x Sh-23 in tail-turret, up to 6.000kg of bombs in internal bay

Conclusion:

I personally think this plane should be added to both the Soviet and German tech-trees, for Germany, under the East German flag, with either no roundels at all or the East German airforce roundels, similar to the German IL-28 and with the name “Baade 150”, while the Soviet version should also either have no roundels, or the Soviet Airforce stars, similar to the Soviet IL-28 and with the name “OKB-1 150”.

This plane would be an excellent top-tier “medium / heavy jet-bomber” for Germany, which otherwise lacks any such heavy jet-bombers, while the USSR would get a nice upgrade to the IL-28, which could better lead into heavier bombers such as the Tu-16.

Let the know what you think!

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[JamesPond1200]

It would be really fun to have this added. Im all for the addition of more Cold War bombers, and it should go to Germany and Russia. +2

[BlusteryBark6]

Can it drop the fab 5000 nuke

[JamesPond1200]

Theoretically I think so, not sure if in practice.

[Kingtiez]

OKB-1 should go to the Soviets and Germany should get the Ju 287 which is the predecessor.

[Stuhlfleisch]

The problem with that would be, that the Ju 287 never flew. The V2 was partially assembled but not finished by the time the war ended. The OKB-1 series of aircraft is in more than one way the successor-line to the Ju 287, as many of the engineers who worked on the 287, also worked on the EF 131, EF 140 and the EF 150, which is why I think both the USSR and Germany should get the plane(s).

Additionally, the Baade 150 is the only chance for Germany to receive a somewhat heavy jet-bomber, as neither the Third Reich, nor East or West Germany actually operated any strategic jet-bombers, while the USSR and Russia did and still do have a plethora of all sorts of jet-powered medium and heavy bombers.

We can be happy Germany has connections to the OKB-1 projects, as this seems like the only and best possibility for a German heavy jet-bomber, without straying into “what-if” and blueprint & wind-tunnel model territory, which the Ju 287 would definitely tread into, though at least it was also partially built, and not complete paper like for example the Ho XVIII or Junkers EF 132, of which only wind-tunnel models existed.

[Kingtiez]

I suppose leave this one up to the devs.

[Armen_Lozone]

@Stuhlfleisch

the Ju 287 never flew

the V-1 did though

Spoiler

RATO Test flight

only the V-1 was tested for flight, the V-2, 3 and any other versions were not flight worthy before capture/scuttling

[Stuhlfleisch]

The V1 was a proof of concept flight demonstrator, hardly something that could be added to War Thunder.

[Armen_Lozone]

well… gaijin hasnt shied away from such aircraft in the past…

[Stuhlfleisch]

It was an unarmed demonstrator with unretractable landing gear and a top speed less than 600 kph, it would be unusable ingame.

[Armen_Lozone]

So like an unarmed canberra at 5.0?
Considering it was capable of ~550kmph and ~650 in a dive, with an airspawn and bombs this would be quite effective…
If not the next ju 288.

Lets not forget, the xp-50, yak-141 and a bunch of other vehicles were test prototypes that were not armed or some not even flight worthy.

[Stuhlfleisch]

550 kph was the theoretical maximum speed, it never achieved more than 370 kph in actual flight. Furthermore, it had no provisions for weapons whatsoever, no bomb bay or guns, the landing gear was not retractable either. It was a proof of concept for the wings and no more. Something like this would not work in War Thunder, as this is a step removed from even being a prototype, it was a proof of concept, hastily built out of odd-parts to be able to test a novel wing design.

The V2 would have been more in line with a traditional prototype, and the V3 would have been a pre-series plane which might have even been equipped with weapons.

[Armen_Lozone]

alright fair… any chance gaijin could still include it based on the V1 x V2 x V3 or a supposed production version level bomber?
it feels too good to go to waste like this

[Stuhlfleisch]

Unsure, the V2 was apparently in “advanced” stages of completion before being destroyed by bombing raids, and I don’t know if work on the V3 even started. I suppose if Germany would desperately need a higher tier jet bomber, it could be an option, as work on the V2 at least was progressed to an advanced degree, however looking at the whole picture, I would assume that if Germany were to get a new semi-high tier jet bomber, it would probably be the OKB-1 150, and / or maybe the Canberra B.2, this is not to say I would not want to see a potential “production” Ju 287 to be added, I just think at this point it is regrettably unlikely.

[Armen_Lozone]

Honestly i fancy the idea of this jet bomber because ofc forward swept wing and at a reasonably low br. It would be a marvel to encounter. Like a herald of the extremes in technological advances between the two sides.

[Living_Madness]

should germany and russia need super sonic Ju 288? I don’t think so.
but If that thing have to add it, I hope it’s only added to Russia

Besides, I’d rather have Me 163C, D 263 in Germany, and MIG-I-270 in Russia

[Kingtiez]

I nearly forgot this post existed.
I still believe it’s strange to suggest the OKB-1 for Germany, and the reasoning the OP gave doesn’t really justify it.
Should be fine for Gaijin to add something else such as the Canberra and perhaps a prototype of the Ju 287.

[PrussianOwl]

I agree, it was designed, evaluated, and tested only in the USSR and was never really associated with East Germany beyond the nationality of the designer. But I would like to see it in the game. +1 for the USSR