Then is it an improved version of K-5, being called Kaktus by magazines and wikipedia?
What about big daddy round griffel can it fire long sabot rounds?
Engine is stated to be 1400 hp it could have the 25km reverse speed no idea about transmission.
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Can anyone tell me how accurate are these drawings of the black eagle
1 - armored hull; 2 - running gear; 3 – turret; 4 - inhabited department; 5 - driver compartment; 6 - combat compartment; 7 - motor-transmission compartment;
8 – engine and transmission unit; 9 - 125 mm caliber gun; 10 - machine gun (mounted above the gun); 11 - automatic loader; 12 - removable armored automatic loader module;
13 - high performance shells of the first stage of application; 14 - breech of the gun; 15 - removable armored jacket; 16 - insulated bay from the powder fumes at gun;
17 - driver’s hatch; 18 - commander’s hatch; 19 - gunner’s hatch; 20 - adjustable driver’s seat; 21 - adjustable seat of the tank commander;
22 - adjustable gunner seat; 23 – turret ring; 24 – left side; 25 – right side; 26 – bottom; 27 - upper front sheet; 28 - lower front sheet
29 - aft leaf; 30 – roof; 31, 32 - track shelves; 33, 34 - vertical armor plates installed parallel to the axis of the tank
35, 36, 37 - isolated compartments; 38 - anti-fragmentation lining;
39 - anti-radiation lining; 40, 41 - removable protective screens; 42 – composite armor modules with ERA; 43 – partition;
44 - armored pit of driver’s hatch; 45 - composite armor module on the upper frontal plate;
64 - blow-off panels; 66 - active defense system (APS); 67- APS projectiles; 68, 69 – laser warning devices; 72 – tracks
Turret
**Turret(**top view):
50 – Integrated ERA blocks
61 - annular groove for the installation of centering balls of the bearing unit
62 - removable armored cover
63 - hatch for installing and servicing the loading mechanism
64 – blow off panels
66 - blocks of the radar tracking station
67 - Mortars with ammunition of the complex “Drozd” or “Arena”
68 - heads of the laser detection system of the front sector
69 - the head of the indicator of the laser detection system of the rear sector
70 - mortars for launching aerosol grenades
71 - lightly armored casings (in the figure, the central non-removable part of the casing)
“A” - the front contour of the dome of the tower
The tower of the perspective tank (front view) without the crew basket and gun:
23 – turret ring
48 - front plates of the turret
50 – explosive reactive armor blocks
51 embrasure
58 - hatch for ejecting cartridge shells
**Turret(**side view):
23 - turret ring
46 - aft leaf of the turret
47 - side walls of the turret
48 - front plates of the turret
49 - turret roof
50 - explosive reactive armor blocks
59 - mounting lugs with through grooves
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In its most barebones configuration you get a T-80U with a quick reload and the ability to not explode upon being touched.
In its most paper configuration you get a new hull ERA array for good measure.
I’d say while these attributes aren’t revolutionary or unique in themselves they do address most of the weaknesses inherent to your typical conventional T-80. You won’t get a meme machine but you’ll get one of the most powerful, even if boring, vehicles in the game until the 1980s monster tanks show up.
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Dude what kind of 3d models are you presenting, they kinda resemble the black eagle but suspect at best.
This one is better.
That was what ‘if prototype and production mades’. Like Object 292, Object 640 also not go stage further out of technological demonstrator. So vehicle that actually made and pictured is quite different from what Omsk wants to develop.
That diagram is also wrong as really made Object 640 has hull ERA only Kontakt-5, not Kaktus.
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Wikipedia isn’t a credible source and “magazines” are irrelevant.
Kaktus doesn’t exist, you can cope it out however you’d like but it’s nothing more than a classic Zalog savior-complex cope over his favorite vehicle falling behind in the 4th generation race.
Just as the '640 never planned for a 152mm, it didn’t have Kaktus.
The variant gaijin should add
I already know that magazines and Wikipedia are not credible, its just that a lot of sources in English and other languages use the word “Kaktus” to label the armor of Object 640. By appearance the frontal plate armor is covered in K-5, but the turret is more interesting since the reactive armor blocks appear to be bigger than the T-80U and are packed together without any space between them.
I have also read that there is a difference in performance of later generation K-5 than the one first used in the middle 80s. As for the 152mm that is just speculation, the actual prototype uses 125mm, but non the less, in theory therefore in game. I also like the layout of the Black eagle in comparison to the Armata tank. T-14 has all 3 members sitting in one row. They should be spaced out to increase survivability.
Of course it is a prototype and it is probably different than what was intended to be, for all intents and purposes it might not have had its reactive armor blocks filled. It most likely did not carry ammunition with it, when it was driven around and displayed. With tech like this one its mainly speculation, unless of course some one was part of the tank designer bureau and knows the project inside out.
And none of which substantiate it… Not a single mtnion of Kaktus existed before 1997, in which it was snatched up by Zalog and passed off without citation in nothing more than a paragraph without reason.
Kaktus does not exist beyond publishers and blogs. It was a name given initially given to soft mounted Relikt fixtures, such as the current 4S24U bags we see on current MBTs… Which of course, didn’t exist in 1988.
Oh my god, really? It looks outlandish and frankly non-practical??
It’s almost as if the turret of the 640 is quite literally a facade!
They’re bolt-on panels made to look cool. It had never undergone protective trials, therefore it didn’t need armor on a firing testbed. It’s nothing more than a gun, a hilariously underdeveloped autoloader, and a turret made to look somewhat like what the plans intended.
You mean K-5 and K-1? Yeah, pretty groundbreaking.
There was no theory behind it… The program served to do nothing more than add a bustle loader to currently outfitted 125mm cannons. A 152mm was never “in theory”, it was a fabricated thought trying to rationalize the '640 against 4th generation competitors.
Even the '195 had more armor in front of the crew compartment than the program baseline T-72B '89’s turret and hull combined. Crew being “spaced out” isn’t a good thing.
Any information for the reload time?
Its a prototype from way back in the day, most probably it did not even have explosive fillers when undergoing initial trials. As for the Zalog news outlet I know nothing about, never trusted magazines or published articles in the first place.
As for the autoloader how can you be this certain it is “hilariously underdeveloped” sounds a bit Zalog to me. I never truly expected this tank to be something great since it was just a prototype. However, it was never fully refined. Had it been developed further, it would have been given different reactive armor than what it had back in the day. Most probably the autoloader would have been refined and it would have been able to fire significantly more powerful kinetic rounds that standard T-series tanks.
This is of course in the realm of speculation, tank in reality remains at the same level it once was. But there is another version that might have been developed due to some of the features used in object 640 that is the burlak tank.
As for object 195 it also falls in the same category, under development prototype. It should have more armor than 72b 89 version it is suppose to be an improvement.
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Super fast (hahhaa)
Hopefully it will be 5 secs so it’ll be somewhat competitive 🙏
Well we will see, it should be a fun vehicle to play. As for reload in rl haven’t read anything about it.
From what it looks like the turret wasn’t intended to have any explosive elements to begin with. It looks nothing more than a welded turret meant to encapsulate what the tank was envisioned as while still staying minimalistic and supporting the systems needed for trials.
Making fun of Zaloga, as is correct to do.
I prefer not to trust them either, but when straight up fiction is spread around via them and becomes the mainstream word, things get worrying.
That’s my point. The tank was designed as it should have been, with a lot of thought.
The issue came down to procuring that design while struggling with funds and losing to Ural. I won’t fault late-stage Omsk for… Being Omsk?
The autoloader itself is VERY unrefined.
Most definitely.
As from what I can see now, 3VBM19 is the best that it could fire for its time… And at the moment, that still holds true. Almost all succeeding penetrators follow around the same dimensions.
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Does this thing have better turret armor than the T-90A/T-90M?