Infact it is the USSR tree and seeing as other former USSR is in it (Russia, Belarus) it makes sense
To is your own, we all have our opinions.
Based on the Leak Lists prior, it could make its way into an Ukraine/Poland/Czech/Slovak, etc. tree. There was an Eastern European tree (regardless of the popularity of it or not) leak that had these nations together. It was never shot down by any leaker.
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Yeah that’s fine. It makes much more sense for it to be there than in the US Tech Tree.
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When I made this suggestion it was originally under Ukraine/other nations but was moved by mods. We’ll see what happens or if it ever gets added to begin with.
That I did not know. That makes sense I guess.
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1: No 2: Kinda, but mostly also no
The hull is a derivative of T-80UD hull AND individually built since to incorporate a good reverse speed, you need a different gearbox, that’s bigger and fits differently, also there is a different ERA package, and an awful lot of minor changes that i won’t list here
They utilise the same MG mount AFAIK, so it can be done
Nope again. Ukraine could just sell a few of the T-80UD that they inherited from soviet union, without making any changes
It is not a requirement for implementation into the game in any way
They were produced FOR USA, they are IN USA, and the only operator of these tanks IS USA, and they are used for tests, evaluation and probably OPFOR since 2004, so they are pretty much American at this point and can be easily added as a very unique event vehicle that would be (in my opinion) one of the best, alongside Moderna, T-80UM2, T-80UD/DU1, VT1-2, M-60AMBT and a few others that i find very good
In what way? Were they trialed there? Were they even planned for purchase, let alone purchased for research and OPFOR training? Leopard2A4 and Italian vehicles like Freccia and Centauro were actually trialed over there in the swamps and snow, so they can be added, the same way as T-80U and Mi-28 were added for Sweden
AFAIK they were not purchased by a US government, and before they were purchased, they were stripped off of any weapon or location systems
Well, that decision was kinda weird and i won’t argue about them since i meet them like once in 30 battles
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What about American Mi-24, MiG-25, MiG-15, MiG-23, and probably some Sukhois as well, which did have weapons
They’re all are probably trophies(not sure about MiG-23 though), and Gaijin yet wasn’t adding any high tier trophies for any nation (higher than Tier 5)
Which, last I checked, many people were also upset about. They should never have received EITHER of those.
the US has no ability to operate this machine in fighting capacity. We do not produce, or buy, the 125mm round for the 2A46M cannon. We do not produce the parts to repair, nor do we purchase the parts to repair these vehicles. We do not have the Drozd systems to replace them when used. We have not outfit them with 120s. We have not added the M2HB to the tank. Simply put; we can’t use it to fight a war, therefore, we should not get it in game. Look at the Leo 2AV- it didn’t go to the US even though it was designed for the US. It went to Germany. So much in the same way the Leo 2AV went to Germany, the 478BEM1 will go to either an Eastern Europe tree or Russia- not the US.
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Just for inputs, we can and have done this before. We’ll source rounds and parts from Poland, Bulgaria, and Slovakia to keep these vehicles functioning and firing. It also extends to helicopters like the Mi-17. They keep the vehicles in fighting conditions for testing purposes at Aberdeen.
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Since ““we can’t use it to fight a war, therefore, we should not get it in game”” is a really giant concern for you, why won’t you ask to remove all these high tier vehicles, and probably hundreds more from every tech tree in game?
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And i agree with @Yontzee that if it would be absolutely necessary, all of it could be done through different countries or a few crazy engineers with some booze and adult equipment. Only things that could be an issue in this case is the engine since no country other than Ukraine produces these engines, and Drozd APS since nobody at all produces those now, but still with technical documentation production of both can be started anywhere if needed.
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I don’t believe the US operated any Sukhoi aircraft outside the privately owned Su-27s—Ditto with the MiG-25. As for the other MiGs, those would be neat additions as premiums or event vehicles I suppose
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There is a MiG-25 in NMUSAF
And I’m using the Soviet jets as example of stuff that absolutely should not come to USA
Ah, yes, that one. That’s the one that was captured without wings and was never operational, so there’s less of a chance of that being added. The HAVE series, on the other hand, is a definite possibility. Ditto with the privately operated Soviet warbirds in the US if the Netz Premium is anything to go by
In 2020, to maintain the operability of these T-80UDs, the United States purchased 6TD-2E engines from Ukrspetsexport. Also purchased were 49 Kombat ATGM and GD-1 aerosol grenades.
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Updated the post to include new information as to the reason of the “T-80UD” designation by the U.S. being, the BM Oplot/T-84 designation was a brand new designation by the Ukrainian military at the time of sale to the U.S. and the U.S. did not adopt this new name to the vehicle. This vehicle retained ALL major capabilities of the Object 478DU9/BM Oplot zr. 2000 with the exception of having an older version of Nozh ERA, no Varta (Shtora) APS, and different smoke grenade configuration, but makes up with Drozd APS and Kombat GL-ATGM, which therefore makes this a VERY close Oplot-derivative.
Here’s more images (below) of the U.S.-operated Object 478BEM1:
Other images:
https://militarnyi.com/en/news/t-84-from-ukraine-spotted-on-a-road-in-the-us-again/
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