No, Ukraine was a major manufacturer of technology while it was part of the Soviet Union. Ukraine produced a LOT of weapons for the USSR which includes T-64’s, T-80UD’s, R-77’s (for a while, the sole producer of it in the USSR), and more. Ukraine and Russia both have there large defense industries originate from the Soviet Union. They’re not the same, they both have independent developments and Ukraine sold what it deemed as its own technology to sell. Ukraine sold it the US as a way likely to branch out Westward. This was prior to any major conflicts.
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OKOK thank you!!!
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No worries, feel free to check out my Ukraine Ground Forces Tree if you want to see what kind of technological developments Ukraine has made:
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Ye, I used to chat there.
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TAPNA can be used withoud modifications to the autoloader
In Ukraine, V.A. Malyshev Kharkov Transport Machine Building Plant
It was not designed to mock anything
Technically can use M-60 tracks
Can use after a little modification to the MG mount (it was done on T-72AMT zr.2022)
While it is just plain “whataboutism” about the key components of the tank, which require a giant reconstruction, i am tempted to respond.
US doesn’t have a suitable engine, doesn’t have serially produced autoloader which could be installed there, gun could be installed into T-84-120 turret, but it was not ordered, therefore your question is invalid
Nuh-uh. It is much closer in appearance to the Pakistani T-80UD (not the one represented in game, but the modified)
Show me one SOVIET T-80UD with Drozd and welded turret
Technically false since all 3 produced tanks are at Aberdeen training facility in Maryland state, USA
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Oh, they’re still floating about? Hmm hope the Armor and Cav Collection can get one for display
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Yup, they’re still there, used for testing as needed.
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All of these(+one with AC unit) should be there, alongside BM Oplot and T-72AG(or MP, i am not sure)
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Im sorry, that is correct. It simply was brought down as close as possible to the T-80UD standard.
Still a Soviet tank, no? Still close to a model we have in game?
It isn’t whataboutism. I’m providing an argument. The whole thing is pieces of Soviet and Russian design. Therefore, it is a Soviet vehicle. Therefore, it belongs in the tree with the rest of the Soviet vehicles, the USSR.
Fair. However, the hull is still a T-80UD hull. Not an individually built hull. And still very much uses Soviet Doctrine for design.
Was it done on a T-84?
Fair
Modified to be like* a T-80UD.
Were they produced in the United States? No. Therefore, they are not American.
There is no need for this, and more importantly, no need for this near-blatant copy-paste in game.Part of what makes this game what it is is the level of uniqueness in Top Tier GRB. The United States has so many other and better things it can get before the Obj478BEM1. Also, it opens the door to things I, and plenty of others, do not want to see; like Russian Abrams and Bradleys, American Su-27s and MiG-29s, or French Leopards (which we already have and people already hate).
This is something I’m going to need to fix on the suggestion, the U.S. government recognizes it as a T-80UD (probably due to the fact around the time it was manufactured, the T-84 designation was used sparingly) but in fact, it was pretty much left with all the features of an Oplot. It has the Ukrainian-made ERA, powerful engine with significant reverse speeds, French Catherine Thermal Sight, Drozd APS, etc. While it exhibits the look of a T-series tank, it’s quite drastic.
I do see what you mean by this, you’re just want to keep authenticity but that’s different from just”blatant copy and paste”. This is hardly copy and paste, at that rate the M1A2 SEP and SEPv2 are just copy and paste but with a CROWS. That’s a different argument.
Edited: I understand and respect the concerns of having this in the US tree as in opening the door for US equipment in the Russia tree or other way around, that’s more up to Gaijin because they just kind of do what they want anyways.
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A. Near Blatant. not blatant. There are some changes; but not enough to make it a valid addition to the US tree.
B. I know a lot of people don’t think it should go to Russia either; but unfortunately the place it fits best is, ultimately, the Russian tech tree. It has the base from a Soviet Design- it utilizes Soviet equipment. There are absolutely some things that are uniquely Ukrainian, that I cannot deny- but even then, most Ukrainian or Soviet-Ukraine stuff ends up or will end up in the Russian TT. I can very much see this never being added simply because of the arguments it will bring all around.
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Infact it is the USSR tree and seeing as other former USSR is in it (Russia, Belarus) it makes sense
To is your own, we all have our opinions.
Based on the Leak Lists prior, it could make its way into an Ukraine/Poland/Czech/Slovak, etc. tree. There was an Eastern European tree (regardless of the popularity of it or not) leak that had these nations together. It was never shot down by any leaker.
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Yeah that’s fine. It makes much more sense for it to be there than in the US Tech Tree.
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When I made this suggestion it was originally under Ukraine/other nations but was moved by mods. We’ll see what happens or if it ever gets added to begin with.
That I did not know. That makes sense I guess.
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1: No 2: Kinda, but mostly also no
The hull is a derivative of T-80UD hull AND individually built since to incorporate a good reverse speed, you need a different gearbox, that’s bigger and fits differently, also there is a different ERA package, and an awful lot of minor changes that i won’t list here
They utilise the same MG mount AFAIK, so it can be done
Nope again. Ukraine could just sell a few of the T-80UD that they inherited from soviet union, without making any changes
It is not a requirement for implementation into the game in any way
They were produced FOR USA, they are IN USA, and the only operator of these tanks IS USA, and they are used for tests, evaluation and probably OPFOR since 2004, so they are pretty much American at this point and can be easily added as a very unique event vehicle that would be (in my opinion) one of the best, alongside Moderna, T-80UM2, T-80UD/DU1, VT1-2, M-60AMBT and a few others that i find very good
In what way? Were they trialed there? Were they even planned for purchase, let alone purchased for research and OPFOR training? Leopard2A4 and Italian vehicles like Freccia and Centauro were actually trialed over there in the swamps and snow, so they can be added, the same way as T-80U and Mi-28 were added for Sweden
AFAIK they were not purchased by a US government, and before they were purchased, they were stripped off of any weapon or location systems
Well, that decision was kinda weird and i won’t argue about them since i meet them like once in 30 battles
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What about American Mi-24, MiG-25, MiG-15, MiG-23, and probably some Sukhois as well, which did have weapons
They’re all are probably trophies(not sure about MiG-23 though), and Gaijin yet wasn’t adding any high tier trophies for any nation (higher than Tier 5)