You’re also forgetting that 155mm HE to the turret cheeks of the Maus will knock it out on the first shot. Angling isn’t as helpful as you think it is for the Maus. So long as the Maus is pointing the gun at you, the cheeks are always easy to cut through with any of the prior mentioned rounds. Angling won’t save it.
You’re still being disingenuous to try and support your lackluster argument, but you have nothing going for you at all.
For f’s sake, a BT-7M could kill a Leopard 2A7V—does that mean the BT-7M should be at 12.0? No. Anyone posting on this forum should know that in War Thunder, Getting Gaijined happens. It’s not always going to work—but you just need skill to deal with it. Sure, it’s unbalanced, but how come no one’s calling out the HE launcher users?
Take the Maus: by angling, it’s almost frontally proof against early APDS and APFSDS. By now, you should know better than to take averages into account, right?
The whole point of my argument is not your definition of armor, and being disingenuous doesn’t make me wrong. The Object 292 historically could take an ERA package, and since in-game balance allows for it without making it OP, it should be added. The main drawback of the Object 292 is its reload rate—a trade-off for the best APFSDS round at 1.3 BR lower than the second best.
As long as the tank’s main weakness—the reload speed—exists, anyone who isn’t an average P2W player should know how to kill it. Sorry, but if you can’t kill a T-72/T-80, that’s a skill issue. Both tanks have the same weak points, with their lower plates and driver ports being exploitable—if one doesn’t work, the other will.
The ERA package only resolves the issue of being penned in its non-weak spot areas, where it has composite armor. Sorry, but if you’re in your Leopard 2A7V in a down-tier, the Object 292 should be something you fear—just like how the Pz IV is for the KV-1, or the IS-2 is for the Tiger II.
You just described the object 195
Assuming the HE mechanic is consistent and everyone have 155m HE in their pocket at every time then sure.
Not even close. How much longer are you going to keep lying for? Additionally, being disingenuous DOES infact make you wrong. It also proves you’re completely dishonest and can’t be trusted to hold a good faith conversation.
The 292 needs nothing else. End of discussion. If anything, it needs to be uptiered.
It will definitely make it OP since Gaijin still isn’t adding any darts that can penetrate russian ERA, adding it to more tanks would definitely benefit the player in increasing the survivability and the BR, if you want ERA on your favorite tank then its place would be at 11.3-11.7, but making the tank’s hull unpenetrable with the best dart in the game and get to stay at the same BR is a braindead idea.
T90M is still the most armored tank in the game, Relikt eat Mavericks easily, you can’t lolpen the tank, if it gets a better transmission then it would definitely surpass 2A7.
Dawg this is so stupid it isn’t even worth respoding or is it rage bait who knows i’ll put ChatGPT to anwser this.
Seriously? If we wait for “magic darts” before giving ERA to every Russian tank, we’ll be stuck at 10.7 forever—and still get one-shotted by every NATO MBT. ERA isn’t some power-creep cheat code; it’s a historical upgrade that helps tanks survive flurries of incoming rounds. Dropping it behind an arbitrary 11.3–11.7 BR gate just forces everyone to trade off armor for more BR padding. Either give the kits where they belong or admit that your fear of “too much survivability” is just an excuse to keep everything glass-thin. -ChatGPT
It roughly shares the same weakspots as all the other T-series tanks. I have yet to have much trouble dealing with them in anything really.
Half your points are also beyond stupid though, so some saying applies here about a pot calling a kettle something? or something along those lines.
I would rather mobility over stronger armor because I could at least avoid getting shot at, with -4kph reverse horeshet there is no other way to play this tank other than in-your-face playstyle
Just saying something is stupid doesn’t actually make it stupid.
Let me clarify this one last time:
my dude you said that the T-80B had better KE protection than the 292 (which is false) against rounds like DM43 and M829A1(APFSDS), when I point out that you are wrong you reply with screenshots of their protection against DM12A1 (HEAT-FS).
How is that not beyond stupid?
And why should a 10.7 MBT be a deciding part of the 11.3-12.0 meta? There is a reason why these tanks are a higher BR.
292 cant even see 2A7V naturally?
if you have to compare a 10.7 BR tank to 12.0 BR tank to prove a point, its a bad point.
It’s not. You trade a bit of nominal hull armor for frontal immunity to HEAT rounds—a worthwhile exchange given the current uptier environment.
Firstly, the Object 292 is one of the only MBTs at its BR that can reliably kill those top-tier tanks head-on—no weak-spot gymnastics required.
Secondly, in the missile age, almost every tank destroyer becomes a glass cannon . The Object 292, equipped with ERA, would actually stand out and challenge 11.3–12.0 vehicles—whose main threat in uptiers is ATGMs that can penetrate them frontally.
In Arcade, the maximum BR spread is ±1.3, not ±1.0. I used the Leopard 2A7V as an example of a highly armored opponent to illustrate the 292’s role.
more i hear about arcade more i dread it.
NO to more USSR/RU science fiction
5 degrees fun depression is worse, every modern russian tank could be moved up at least .3 BR if given 9-10 degrees of depression HATO tanks have.
And for people crying about russian ERA, even if it was made of pure stalanium explosive what the hell are you doing shooting anything but breach or lfp front aspect, I need to run into more of you guys in my matches. Armor at higher tiers just exists to save you from poor shots.
it really isn’t lol. The T-80B kontakt 1 only stops heat-FS and some early non-tandem ATGMS, the fast majority of the missiles at top tier will just slice through the T-80B armor even with the ERA.
So by your logic, we’d buff a already broken tank by giving it a unpenetrable armor and it can stay at a low BR? I’ve seen some dumb Russian mains takes but this is the dumbest one yet.
Also now Leopards are super easy to disable and kill, if you have any problem in killing one then it’s completely your fault.
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